[GRASS-dev] Different CRS matching in 7.2 and trunk

[Markus Metz]

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Helena Mitasova <hmitaso at ncsu.edu> wrote:
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> On Nov 10, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Markus Metz <markus.metz.giswork at gmail.com>
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> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Helena Mitasova <hmitaso at ncsu.edu>
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> > Please note, that  in spite of the fact that the datum.table shows same
transformation parameters,
> > different nad83 datums are different (it is not just a different name
for the same datum) and there are different EPSG codes associated
> > with the relevant CRS.
> > You can find more about it here (or just google it)
> > https://confluence.qps.nl/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=29855153
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> > Supposedly, the shift from NAD83(86) to NAD83(HARN) can be done with
the NGS NADCON program (I have not checked it out)
> > (http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/TOOLS/Nadcon/Nadcon.shtml).
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> There are 12 (!) different definitions for NAD83. What to do about this?
Regard these 12 definitions as different datums? In this case I would need
to reinstate the datum check and we need to add more entries to datum.table.
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> Markus, we absolutely need to have a datum check

This datum check has been first added in Oct 2003 and has been quickly
removed again in Jan 2004. As long as we do not have proj-style definitions
reflecting the differences in the various nad83 datums, it does not make
sense to differentiate between say nad83 and nad83harn.

> - although the differences between different NAD83 datums are less than a
meter, differences between NAD27 and NAD83 are over hundred meters in some
areas. Anything that has a different EPSG should be treated as different
CRS exactly for the reasons you mentioned in your answer to Vasek.

GRASS does not use EPSG to construct proj-style definitions.

Markus M

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> Helena
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> Markus M
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> > Helena
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> > On Nov 10, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Markus Metz <markus.metz.giswork at gmail.com>
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> > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus at gmail.com>
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> > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Markus Metz <
markus.metz.giswork at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > 7.2 considers this OK while trunk considers this different. I'm
not sure which one is correct.
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> > > > > In this case, 7.2 is correct, but 7.2 does not compare datums,
i.e. projections would be regarded as matching even with e.g. nad27 and
nad83.
> > > > > The comparison of datums is new in 7.3 and needs some refinement.
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> > > > > I will fix the comparison of swapped lat_1 and lat_2.
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> > > > Fixed in trunk r71656.
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> > > > The test for different datum names has been disabled again in trunk
r71657. There are several different datum names in lib/gis/datum.table that
apparently mean the same: same ellipsoid and same transformation
parameters. Apparently, GRASS does not provide a datum name when converting
projection information from GRASS to proj4 for reprojecting data.
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> > > Thank you so much, Markus. This saves me a lot of trouble.
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> > About avoiding trouble, the motivation of the stricter CRS comparison
is to avoid subsequent geolocation errors. If data have been imported and
differences in the CRS were not detected, it can become very difficult
later on in the processing to figure out the reason for geolocation errors
(different data not matching each other spatially). I'm not sure what to do
about different datum names. The current check relies on the test for
differences in ellipsoids.
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> > Markus M
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> > > (I'm working on a Jupyter Notebook where I need trunk.)
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https://github.com/wenzeslaus/Notebook-for-processing-point-clouds-in-GRASS-GIS
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> > > > Markus M
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