[GRASS-dev] Should we use GitHub Discussions?

massimo di stefano massimodisasha at gmail.com
Wed Jan 20 23:48:59 PST 2021

 I think emails (and mailing lists) are awesome, but mailing lists are
increasingly seen as archaic and not accessible

What about migrating our mailing list to mailman3?
The postorius interface looks modern and when integrated with hyper kitty,
allows an easy access to the list archives (including search and post

My 2cents.

Il giorno gio 21 gen 2021 alle 4:32 AM Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus at gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> Let me finally write some arguments for GitHub Discussions.
> First of all, I think it is a tradeoff, so I agree that the issues here
> are valid, at least to a point. My question now is if it is worth enabling
> GitHub Discussions anyway.
> As I mentioned earlier, people are asking for a web-based solution (see
> e.g. post from November on grass-user [1]). I think emails (and mailing
> lists) are awesome, but mailing lists are increasingly seen as archaic and
> not accessible. Nabble does not seem to cut it and it was even demoted on
> the mailing list for its link instability (which I think is a concern). It
> seems that if the Nabble situation would be fixable, it would be fixed
> already. Signup to receive all emails for a specific mailing list before
> posting a question is a big commitment, especially when people are using
> multiple software packages or are just trying out GRASS GIS. Is it clear to
> everybody they need to sign up before posting anyway? When you are already
> committed to GRASS GIS, they might not show stoppers, but when you are not,
> they certainly can be. Conclusion: If we want even the uncommitted users to
> ask questions, we need something which feels light, you already have an
> account there, and it does not require you to manage email filtering.
> There are already web-based forums, namely GIS StackExchange and
> StackOverflow proper where GRASS-related questions are being asked. This
> demonstrates the interest in the web-based Q&A platform, however when you
> look at the posts there, you see that it does not work that great. First,
> many of the original posts and consequently answers are actually not a good
> fit for that kind of platform - often a back and forth discussion is
> required. And perhaps more importantly, there are only a few GRASS power
> users answering there compared to mailing lists and comparing to how many
> people from the GRASS community have an account on GitHub. Conclusion: Even
> if we don't direct users to a platform and support that platform, people
> will use it anyway resulting in harm as questions are not properly answered.
> GitHub Discussions is a good web-based forum for three reasons, 1) GitHub
> is a platform we are already committed to, 2) devs, core+addon
> contributors, and bug-reporting users all have an account there, 3) a lot
> of potential users already have account there. The last point is especially
> interesting because not only that a lot of code-aware GIS users or
> scientists have an account there, but a lot of developers have an account
> there and we are very very interested in attracting developers.
> Developers/programmers need to combine multiple projects to create whatever
> they are creating. Asking them to subscribe to a mailing list in order to
> ask a question is exactly the reason why they will try their luck with
> another project. Conclusion: To attract more users, especially those who
> are developers, a GitHub-related service, such as GitHub Discussions, is
> needed and we are already on GitHub.
> As I mentioned in the initial post, I don't think enabling GitHub
> Discussions means closing mailing lists. I think it is important we have
> there is an option to ask a question, or even report a problem, without
> signing up for a proprietary third party service (it is bad enough we more
> or less require that for contributions). However, as there are people who
> see GitHub Terms and Conditions or a web interface as a barrier to post a
> question, there are people who see mailing list sign up for more inbox
> traffic, emailing, or attachment limitations as a barrier. The commitment
> needed for a mailing list, includes, perhaps surprisingly, an important
> group to reach that is the developers.
> Best,
> Vaclav
> [1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-user/2020-November/081842.html
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 8:41 AM Markus Neteler <neteler at osgeo.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 6:35 PM Brendan <brendan.harmon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Could posts on the mailing list automatically be posted on GitHub
>> Discussions and vice versa?  That's how the GRASS Nabble forums work right?
>> Those look great.
>> If that would work, perhaps yes.
>> Otherwise I'm with Moritz and the others who see the risk of
>> fragmentation etc.
>> Markus
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