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Beginners perhaps need to think about projections at the outset more so than advanced users. But I don’t think a ‘beginner’ and ‘advanced’ user version of the interface is a good idea. If we work out a way to simplify and/or streamline starting GRASS, it should
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<div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica" class="">[Select GRASS GIS database directory] </div>
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<div class="">Thus the idea of a starting flag "grass -b" to get a lat/long region and open a PERMANENT mapset. The whole thing can be a /tmp/random_name.
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<div class="gmail_extra">I reorganized the buttons to manage the (list of) Locations and (list of) Mapsets, so now it looks like any other lists, e.g. in Simple Layer Manager or in Cartographic Composer. In future we can add buttons, for example unpack a zipped
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