<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Maris Nartiss <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maris.gis@gmail.com" target="_blank">maris.gis@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This thread has exposed a problem with GRASS GIS - lack of clear<br>
vision (target auditory, "market niche").<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Perhaps rather different visions... comes with being open source with an active and open community <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I agree with Anna - startup screen is a problem only on the first time<br>
and it goes away with training. We must keep in mind that GRASS is<br>
more often launched not for the first time than for the first time -<br>
make it easy for daily use not "I am just astrosurfing" use.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+2.. really couldn't agree more <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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If you have been trying AutoCAD, MicroStation, you would know -<br>
complex user interface, hard to run for the first time is not a<br>
problem - I see new "GIS" users using those two "GIS" programs every<br>
day and their count is not declining.<br>
<br>
Please, let's not try to compete with QGIS in ease of use, as we will<br>
lose due to lack of manpower and different goals (quality and power<br>
over ease of use). Spatial data is hard. High quality analysis is<br>
hard. Let's keep GRASS professional by providing easy way how to do it<br>
right (and not a easy way how to do it wrong).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The easy way to do it right.. one of the important reasons I started to use GRASS and made me stick with it. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I would suggest to add a launch wizard that would take user through<br>
location -> mapset etc. steps with nice explanations, etc. and nice<br>
chekcbox "Do not show this wizard next time" - thus first time runners<br>
would get their "let me google this for you" type hand holding, but it<br>
would be easy to keep powerful startup screen for daily use.<br>
<br>
Just 0.02<br>
Māris.<br>
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2015-01-22 17:27 GMT+02:00 Anna Petrášová <<a href="mailto:kratochanna@gmail.com">kratochanna@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Martin Landa <<a href="mailto:landa.martin@gmail.com">landa.martin@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> 2015-01-22 9:48 GMT+01:00 Markus Metz <<a href="mailto:markus.metz.giswork@gmail.com">markus.metz.giswork@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>> > A suggestion for a compromise:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Have a minimal welcome screen that says something like<br>
>> > "Starting GRASS GIS in location X, mapset Y"<br>
>> > nothing else, no list of all the available locations and mapsets<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Only two buttons: OK, Change<br>
>> > Make OK the default, Change will bring up the current welcome screen.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The user has then just to hit enter and GRASS is running. This would<br>
>> > reduce the (confusing) amount of information on the current welcome<br>
>> > screen. It would also give more space for a little graphic ;-)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Location and mapset can be taken from GISRC, if that does not exist,<br>
>> > create a new GISDBASE in the user's home, put the demolocation in it<br>
>> > and use this (I think the wingrass installer is already doing that).<br>
>><br>
>> it make sense to me, I really like this idea. Martin<br>
><br>
><br>
> I am not particularly fond of this idea, I change location and mapset quite<br>
> often, so this is additional step. I agree GISDBASE and the demolocation<br>
> should be already there during the first start. Then the user can just hits<br>
> Start GRASS on the current welcome dialog and there is no need for the<br>
> minimal welcome screen. It works like this for Windows already. It creates<br>
> grassdata in My Documents if I remember correctly, I am not sure why not in<br>
> home.<br>
><br>
> What I struggle with when explaining students how to use GRASS is not really<br>
> the welcome screen but reprojecting data. If we would find a way to<br>
> automatically reproject data during import, that would save a lot of work<br>
> and explanation and it's useful not just for beginners. This is a topic for<br>
> a different thread, how exactly it should be implemented. No matter what we<br>
> decide to do with the starting of grass, this should be implemented.<br>
> Especially when user will start with empty location, they will want to<br>
> import their data and then the reprojection is crucial. I saw a lot of cases<br>
> when they just override the projection check to overcome the error they get<br>
> and don't read.<br>
><br>
> Any opinion on what can we do for this release?<br>
><br>
> Anna<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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