[Ica-osgeo-labs] [OSGeo-Discuss] Do you remember this?

[Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)]

Suchith, Scott and OSGeo Community,

There is a time-honored muckraking tradition, a respectable one, of lampooning the foibles of life. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Harvard_Lampoon 

A very serious issue is at stake here. The fact that it has been in existence for some years without sufficient response to resolve it, leaves the rank-and-file to respond as best they can. They too deserve respect and appreciation for their integrity and reputable sense of outrage.

I am confident the moment this issue is substantially addressed, the ‘level’ of dialogue will instantly rise to the occasion.

Kind regards,
-Patrick

From: ica-osgeo-labs [mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Suchith Anand
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:24 AM
To: Scott Simmons
Cc: discuss at lists.osgeo.org; ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] [OSGeo-Discuss] Do you remember this?

Hi Scott,

Thank you for these updates. It is important that the wider geo community is kept fully updated on the developments in OGC's Point Cloud DWG (esp. all those who supported the Open Letter need to be kept updated) . So i request you to kindly keep sending any updates on Point Cloud DWG activities to the OSGeo Discuss list .  I  have put my complete trust and faith in the OGC's process and i am hopeful there will be consensus build. I am requesting everyone to be please patient and support fully this DWG activities.

Also i humbly request everyone to please follow the OSGeo and OGC code of conduct . Even personal blogposts (including your personal opinions) should respect the OSGeo code of conduct. Please only write facts and that too in simple English that everyone can understand correctly (many are non-native English speakers including myself). Thank you for your cooperation.

Wishing everyone Merry Christmas and Happy New Year wishes.

Best wishes,

Suchith
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From: Scott Simmons [ssimmons at opengeospatial.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:03 AM
To: Suchith Anand
Cc: Cameron Shorter; Carl Reed; discuss at lists.osgeo.org; ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] [OSGeo-Discuss] Do you remember this?

All, 

The OGC is moving forward in our efforts for Point Cloud standardization. As presented at our most recent meeting in Sydney, Australia, the Point Cloud DWG will be releasing a survey to the interested community as a whole (not just OGC membership) to identify the most pressing requirements for standardization in the Point Cloud domain and also to seek interest from parties to participate in such standardization activities. Please stay tuned for the survey - we will be sure to copy these OSGeo lists once the survey is available.

Of course, all discussion and all work will be performed on a consensus basis in accordance to our Principles of Conduct. We will judge our work on its merit and not denigrate any pre-existing or submitted efforts.

Thanks and Regards,
Scott

Scott Simmons
Executive Director, Standards Program
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
tel +1 970 682 1922
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ssimmons at opengeospatial.org

The OGC: Making Location Count…
www.opengeospatial.org

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On Dec 22, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

Hi Cameron, 

I fully agree that everyone should respect the OSGeo code of conduct and be respectful in the way the facts are presented.

I think OSGeo have done our job of highlighting the importance of standards in LiDAR data formats through our open letter in May 2015. OGC have set up a process and it is ongoing, so i request everyone to be patient. You are right, OSGeo Board is only a few volunteers, representing a large body of volunteers, so we should not overburden them with additional loads. 

It is now for OGC colleagues to continue to guide the process forward and i request everyone to work together step by step for this. It is important to be patient , listen to all viewpoints and slowly build consensus. I hope all stakeholders will work together in the common objective of Open Standards in LiDAR for the benefit of the wider geo community.

Best wishes,

Suchith

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From: Cameron Shorter [cameron.shorter at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 8:27 PM
To: Carl Reed; Suchith Anand
Cc: discuss at lists.osgeo.org; ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Do you remember this?

Hi Suchith, Sergio, Micha,

Thanks Carl for highlighting the importance of mutual respect. OSGeo also has a Code-Of-Conduct [1] with similar sentiment to OGC:

We strive to ...
Be careful in the words that we choose.
Whether we are participating as professionals or volunteers, we value professionalism in all interactions, and take responsibility for our own speech. Be kind to others. Do not insult or put down other participants.

The content of the text being referenced is pushing the boundaries of our Code of Conduct [1] by making fun of another organisation.

I suggest that we wish to raise this point with the OGC, then reword, focusing just on the facts, and ideally be respectful in the way the facts are presented.

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Hi Suchith,

I suggest being careful to not over-promise what OSGeo will do (in this case responding to a letter), unless you are volunteering to do it yourself on behalf of OSGeo. The OSGeo Board is only a few volunteers, representing a large body of volunteers. We can do much, but we do it as volunteers.

Warm regards, Cameron

[1] http://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct

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On 23/12/2015 6:27 am, Carl Reed wrote:

All - 

The OGC has a formal Principals of Conduct Policy. I wrote and maintained the policy with the agreement and approval of the OGC membership.

http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/policies/conduct

This policy was initially based on the IETF conduct policy.

Please read sections 3.a and 3.b as they have to do with how OGC members interact with one another as well as with the broader community.

So before "stirring the pot" on the LiDAR  topic again, consider the Conduct policy as guidance on consensus building.

Happy Holidays

Carl

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On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

Hi Sergio, Micha, 

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. 

The OSGeo Foundation will respond formally to this in due course as we had initiated this open letter for the need for standards in LiDAR data formats [1], [2]. I request OSGeo Board to add this in the agenda of the next Board meeting and also for the F2F meeting, so we can discuss and plan next steps.

But first we will wait for response from the Open Geospatial Consortium - who as per their website is  committed to making quality open standards for the global geospatial community and have been working on this by setting up a Point Cloud DWG. We have put our trust in OGC in this process , so let us first get the response from OGC. I am ccing Scott Simmons of OGC to get their response.

Best wishes,

Suchith 

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter 
[2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-May/014222.html

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From: ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Micha Silver [micha at arava.co.il]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:55 PM
To: SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA; ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org; discuss at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] [OSGeo-Discuss] Do you remember this?

Here's the continuation:

https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/standards/2015-December/000960.html

On 12/22/2015 03:45 PM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote:

I remember discussing this in April: "Open Letter for the need for Open Standards in LiDAR"; now I found this interesting post: http://rapidlasso.com/2015/12/19/the-darc-force-awakens-esri-escalates-lidar-format-war/

Is the empire striking back?

Sergio Acosta y Lara
Departamento de Geomática
Dirección Nacional de Topografía
Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas
URUGUAY