[Ica-osgeo-labs] BOF in Portland: Some Ideas of certification
Arnulf Christl
arnulf.christl at metaspatial.net
Wed Jan 7 03:04:37 PST 2015
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Folks,
I have been following the long and broad discussion around certification
last year. Again. Lots of fantastic ideas and then - nothing. It feels a
bit like "same procedure as every year" [1] mixed with Groundhog Day[2].
Which is why this time round I did not bother to join the choir.
Ah, admittedly, I am somewhat frustrated.
So where do we go from here? I have spent considerable time and effort
trying to push this forward as a privately funded initiative but to no
avail. So I am closing this project as failed and try not to mourn the
loss. It will not work in the way I though it would. Shit happens.
The last question before this thread died was whether OSGeo would give
its blessing to approach GISCI to lead such an effort. Answering
Phillip's question: Please go ahead.
But. Without somebody taking the lead nothing will happen (Q.E.D.). Who
will step up and finally get this going? I am happy to support anybody
who can push the right buttons but will not continue on my own account.
Have fun,
Arnulf
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boisQwkK7rs
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog_Day_%28film%29
On 27.09.2014 15:33, Phillip Davis wrote:
> My feeling to. The new executive director of GISCI that manages US GISP
> is fellow Texan Bill Hodge. He's one of the easiest people to work with
> ever. Bill served on my advisory board for GeoTech when we assisted US
> DOL in completing GTCM now used to create the 2015 GISP technical exam.
> Bill currently serves on our Business Industry Leadership Team for the
> NISGTC that funded the QGIS courses so he knows our work intimately.
>
> With OSGeos blessing we could approach GISCI to lead such an effort?
>
> On Sep 27, 2014 8:25 AM, Chris Pettit <cpettit at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Interesting discussion.
>
> I have had quite a bit to do with certification in Australia and you might
> be interested to know that we have GISP-AP (Asia Pacific) which is linked
> directly to GISP so there is a model for GISP to work internationally.
>
> In my humble opinion I think we should further explore working with URISA
> and GISP and see if can get something that meets our needs but is
> delivered in an existing certification program like GISP.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> On 25/09/14 5:08 AM, "Phillip Davis" <pdavis at delmar.edu> wrote:
>
>>I would like to add Mr Bill Hodge of GISCI into the conversation.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Maria Antonia Brovelli [mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it]
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:36 AM
>>To: Phillip Davis; Alex Mandel; Strobl Josef;
>>ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
>>Subject: RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] BOF in Portland: Some Ideas of certification
>>
>>Phil, 89 labs as of today!
>>I agree with you.
>>Maria
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------
>>Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
>>Vice Rector for Como Campus and GIS Professor Politecnico di Milano
>>
>>FOSS4G ASIA - Don't miss it!
>>http://www.foss4g-asia.org/2014/
>>
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>>OSGeo; ICA-OSGeo-ISPRS Advisory Board; NASA WorldWind Europa Challenge;
>>SIFET
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>>
>>________________________________________
>>Da: ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>><ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> per conto di Phillip Davis
>><pdavis at delmar.edu>
>>Inviato: mercoledì 24 settembre 2014 18.23
>>A: Alex Mandel; Strobl Josef; ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
>>Oggetto: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] BOF in Portland: Some Ideas of certification
>>
>>Correct Alex except the EU and other representatives at the meeting
>>stated flatly the GISP and our US DOL GTCM are not going to be widely
>>recognized beyond our own geographical borders. I agree. What I would
>>say is the Process and Procedure that was used to arrive at them, the DOL
>>Competency Model and the DACUM or Developing a Curriculum, methods are
>>easily applicable to any workforce in any nation. I recommended URISA be
>>the international organization to perhaps lead this effort, but that too
>>was poo-pooed as not being truly internationally representative of the
>>global FOSS community...which sorta leads back to GeoForAll under OSGeo
>>as the only recognized organization to pull this off, globally. With 85
>>nodes in every continent, no other organization has such broad
>>representation.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>[mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Alex Mandel
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:16 AM
>>To: Strobl Josef; ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
>>Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] BOF in Portland: Some Ideas of certification
>>
>>Without the "Open" part these already exist and we don't want to compete
>>with:
>>GISP http://www.gisci.org/
>>Master of GIS Science
>>
>>The issue from the community has been that neither of these indicate a
>>person has any experience with more than a single software, or that any
>>of that software is OpenSource by an opensource.org approved license.
>>
>>So yes one way to go would be a Certificate in OGC standards. Another is
>>to push/recommend that other orgs require demonstrated competency in more
>>than 1 GIS technology.
>>
>>Now from the software industry side, there are certifications is just
>>about everything, down to specific software.
>>MS Exchange Cert
>>Oracle Cert
>>Postgres Cert
>>
>>So I see a few ways forward, 1. a general FOSS4G cert or 2. Specific
>>subproject certs, or 3. If you do enough project specific certs you
>>become FOSS4G certified.
>>
>>The role of OSGeo playing the standards body that issues the certificates
>>or accredits institutions to do so.
>>
>>
>>Questions to think about:
>>What about an OSS cert is different from just any old cert on a
>>particular software?
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Alex
>>
>>
>>On 09/24/2014 08:50 AM, Strobl Josef wrote:
>>> Interesting discussion, and I am glad to see it popping up again - a
>>>good indicator that it might not just turn into a fluke ...
>>>
>>> My view is that a certification with 'open' as a defining criterion is
>>>hard to argue and justify - the only area where I could see this to work
>>>is in open specs like in OGC. Overall, individuals might be certified in
>>>software-specific competences (of course these can be FOSS), or in
>>>generic geospatial skills, knowledge and competences (this already is
>>>being done, though). Thus individual products, technologies and
>>>architectures, or workflows (implementation of services-based workflows,
>>>integrated portals etc) could be suitable targets for certification, but
>>>not so much their 'open' characteristics per se ...
>>>
>>> Avoiding 'open' as _the_ defining characteristic also would help
>>>navigating a terrain with sometimes fuzzy boundaries.
>>>
>>> .josef
>>>
>>> Prof. Dr. Josef Strobl | Josef.Strobl at sbg.ac.at University of Salzburg
>>> | Department of Geoinformatics - Z_GIS
>>> Phone: +43 (0)662 8044 7503 | http://jstrobl.zgis.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>> [mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] Im Auftrag von Dr.
>>> Franz-Josef Behr
>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 15:28
>>> An: ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
>>> Betreff: [Ica-osgeo-labs] BOF in Portland: Some Ideas of certification
>>>
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>> during the BoF meeting in Portland we discussed the topic of FOSS4G
>>> certification and Arnulf shared some of his thoughts and insights (see
>>> also his talk/discussion [2] which I unfortunately missed, the slides
>>> at
>>> [3].)
>>>
>>> After the BoF meeting I had a further informal discussion with Philip
>>>Davis.
>>>
>>> One idea:
>>>
>>> ***
>>> The participating Universities (faculty members) could elaborate a set
>>>of prerequisites to award an FOSS4G certification and try to achieve an
>>>agreement amongst the academians as well with the OSGeo foundation.
>>> ***
>>>
>>> The certificates could point out that they are acknowledged by the
>>>faculties/Unviersities who joined the Ica-osgeo-lab movement plus OSGeo.
>>>
>>> The certificate could be granted by these Universities (for their
>>>respective students/for participants in courses9 and by other
>>>acknowledged institutions (i.e. MetaSpatial).
>>>
>>> I found some keywords for Postgres certification [1], see below. Such
>>>keywords could be transfered easily to our aimed fields of certification.
>>>
>>> Arnulf lists some types of certification [4]:
>>>
>>> Open Source Geospatial Software Developer
>>> Open Source Geospatial Software Professional
>>> Open Geospatial Standards Expert
>>> Open Geospatial Data Expert
>>> Open Geospatial Consultant
>>>
>>> Further/other types could be:
>>>
>>> Certified OS GIS Technologist
>>> Certified QGIS/... developer
>>> Certified Web GIS solution architect
>>> Certified PostGIS Associate ...
>>>
>>> We could start with one of them...!?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Franz-Josef
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> Postgres Plus Associate Certification
>>>
>>>
>>> PostgreSQL System Architecture
>>> Installation
>>> Configuration
>>> Creating and Managing Databases
>>> Introduction to PSQL
>>> pgAdmin III
>>> Security basics
>>> SQL
>>> Backup and Recovery
>>> Point-in Time Recovery
>>> Routine Maintenance
>>> Postgres Data Dictionary
>>> Moving Data
>>>
>>> Postgres Plus Professional Certification
>>>
>>> PostgreSQL System Architecture
>>> Transactions and Concurrency
>>> Performance Tuning
>>> Table Partitioning
>>> High Availability & Replication
>>> Connection Pooling
>>> Monitoring
>>> Procedural Languages
>>> Add on Utilities - Contrib
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.daseq.de/schulungen/enterprisedb/edb-pgac/
>>> [2] http://vimeo.com/106231984
>>> [3]
>>> http://www.metaspatial.net/conferences/metaspatial-institute.html#/3
>>> [4]
>>> http://www.metaspatial.net/conferences/metaspatial-institute.html#/8
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>>
>>
>>--
>>Alex Mandel
>>
>>Geography Graduate Group
>>University of California, Davis
>>http://geography.ucdavis.edu
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