[Incubator] Motion: Old "OSGeo Labs" be renamed as "OSGeo Community Projects"
Stephen Woodbridge
woodbri at swoodbridge.com
Fri Mar 18 10:39:37 PDT 2016
I'm not a voting member, but I'll add my +1 to this decision.
On 3/18/2016 7:45 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> I think we have reached a rough consensus on this thread. I suggest we
> vote, hopefully all agree, and move forward.
>
> Motion: The old "OSGeo Labs" should be renamed to "OSGeo Community
> Projects".
>
> +1 Cameron
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> On 17/03/2016 10:06 am, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
>> Resend as previous email was blocked by mail server due to message size.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Bruce Bannerman
>> <<mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Jody,
>>
>> I like the concept of extending the communications to other
>> projects, but perhaps not until we have our thoughts as to what we
>> are trying to do sorted out.
>>
>> We may also want to get the thoughts of those already in
>> incubation. I can feel the pain and frustration of projects such
>> as Rasdaman that have been working through our process for over
>> five years now (though the latest delays are largely my fault).
>>
>> Perhaps we are looking at this the wrong way and need to look at
>> an OSGeo Project Maturity model as Cameron has suggested in the past?
>>
>> We really are looking at a continuum [1] of open source project
>> maturity.
>>
>> This will allow us to also support Bob's idea of staged
>> incubation, rather than one big bang as is currently required.
>>
>> It will also allow us to influence projects early on with 'the
>> OSGeo way' [2].
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> [1] http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/continuum
>>
>> [2] http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/principles.html
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Jody Garnett
>> <<mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Excellent discussion Bruce, thank you. I agree with the
>> general feel here, that we are on a scale of "Community"
>> (minimal) to "Project" (showcase best practice).
>>
>> The miss assumption is "starting out" or "immature" - projects
>> like pgRouting, GeoWebCache, proj4js are simply "small". We
>> would like an opportunity as a foundation to support these
>> projects and include them in our organization.
>>
>> The downside to Hatch and Nurture is that they assume that a
>> project will proceed towards graduation. While we may be able
>> to capture this as a "staged" incubation process (as per Bob's
>> suggestion) it also suffers from this perspective that the
>> projects are "not ready yet".
>>
>> I wonder if we could take this conversation in the other
>> direction, contact projects like pgRouting and asking what
>> would appeal (rather than guessing at this end what would be
>> attractive).
>>
>> * As a uDig lead I was dissuaded from joining OSGeo by being
>> unable to meet the various incubation viability requirements
>> (the project was too small).
>>
>> * In prior conversations with Kevin Smith from GeoWebCache
>> there is simply not a business driver to moving from labs to
>> incubation - the project is not attracting enough committers
>> to qualify. Indeed any available time to work on the project
>> is put into the project directly.
>>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>> On 16 March 2016 at 00:01, Bruce Bannerman
>> <<mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps this is where we need to start.
>>
>> What is it that we're trying to establish, together with
>> the rationale. We can sort a name from there, rather than
>> assuming that everyone is familiar with what the old
>> 'Labs' were intended for.
>>
>> In response to your question:
>>
>> Assumption by me: The 'thing' is intended to support
>> projects and their communities that are small, immature,
>> or just starting out. These projects are not ready to
>> begin graduation, or perhaps do not want to go through the
>> process at this stage.
>>
>> Therefore, we want to find a way to encourage them into
>> the OSGeo Community, Principles and way of working.
>> Projects may or may not wish to enter graduation as they
>> evolve.
>>
>> Therefore, I saw that we could have a nurturing role for
>> these projects, to provide them with basic infrastructure
>> for web presence, project governance and code
>> repositories. If projects express an interest we could
>> introduce them to some of the concepts required of an
>> OSGeo Project in graduation. This is heading in the
>> direction that Bob Basques suggested for staged graduation.
>>
>> I see this as potentially a nuturing role, hence the two
>> terms:
>>
>> OSGeo Hatch (as in hatchery for new projects)
>>
>> OSGeo Nurture.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>>
>> If my assumption as to the intent of this 'thing' is
>> incorrect, then perhaps we could clarify as a starting point.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Jody Garnett
>> <<mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is just it, trying for projects that are not
>> emerging - so we do not want to give the impression
>> that their technology ish immature (even if we think
>> the foundation can offer further help in other areas).
>> Bruce cash you preview some reasoning behind your two
>> suggestions? I do not want to just be negative ...
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 9:53 PM Bruce Bannerman
>> <<mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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