[Incubator] PyWPS update

Tue Sep 13 15:59:29 PDT 2016

Hi Cameron: thanks for the info.

So we can make a note of moving incubation to PyWPS 4 with a note of
the change as part of our submission then.

..Tom

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Cameron Shorter wrote:

> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:47:47 +1000
> From: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
> To: incubator at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Incubator] PyWPS update
> 
> Hi Tom,
>
> I'd probably err on the selection of PyWPS 4. I assume that moving 
> forward most people will select the use of PyWPS 4? If that is the case, 
> I'd suggest that PyWPS 4 should be used as the basis for incubation.
>
> You should be able to claim credit for work already done on PyWPS 3. 
> Where required, just reference back to the original work and note the 
> changes.
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
>
> On 14/09/2016 8:12 AM, Tom Kralidis wrote:
>> Jody: so unless there is objection will continue to work through PyWPS
>> 3 for incubation per the below clarifications?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> ..Tom
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>>> Thanks for the explanation, and yeah it will be much easier to change
>>> license with an all new codebase.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>> On 12 September 2016 at 19:06, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>
>>>> just to clarify some questions:
>>>>
>>>> PyWPS-3 and PyWPS-4 are living in the same repository [2], but PyWPS-4 
> has
>>>> completely new code base rewritten from scratch.
>>>>
>>>> We discussed the topic about license change only in the relationship with
>>>> PyWPS-4. PyWPS-3 - is GNU/GPL (no change), PyWPS-4 is MIT (no 
> relationship).
>>>>
>>>> Still, we managed to track down 99.99% of PyWPS-* constributions [1].
>>>>
>>>> We are incubating PyWPS-3 now, but even we've started PyWPS-4 from
>>>> scratch, the second is direct successor of the first. OpenLayers-3 vs.
>>>> OpenLayers-2 is similar case IMHO, except for the license change, but the
>>>> code base is also completely new and (afaik?) nobody questioned the fact.
>>>> that even OpenLayer-2 was incubated, it applies automatically to OL3 too
>>>> (just as an example, which I see very close).
>>>>
>>>> Jachym
>>>>
>>>> [1]  https://github.com/geopython/pywps/issues/124
>>>> [2]  https://github.com/geopython/pywps
>>>>
>>>> po 12. 9. 2016 v 7:25 odesílatel Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>>> napsal:
>>>>> G'Day Tom, great to hear from the project!
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not really sure what to make of the PyWPS 3 vs PyWPS 4 question - I
>>>>> do not think anything like that has been asked before. I had always 
> assumed
>>>>> that a development team was going ahead and reviewing their current code
>>>>> base?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are both codebases still active? Is PyWPS 4 based on PyWPS 3 codebase in
>>>>> any way?
>>>>>
>>>>> For incubation, the process of reviewing the codebase and double 
> checking
>>>>> that the contents are in fact open source is what is important. We do 
> our
>>>>> best to trust the project teams procedures to ensure the codebase 
> remains
>>>>> open source after incubation. Those procedures usually focus on ensuring
>>>>> contributions are either open source, or contributed under a license 
> that
>>>>> allows open source distribution. But it is really up to the team 
> (conducting
>>>>> an additional review/audit, or having an external party to review) are 
> not
>>>>> un head of.
>>>>>
>>>>> License changes are fine, but tricky - usually need to contact all the
>>>>> contributors (or have the code provided under a contribution license 
> which
>>>>> permits the PSC to change license).
>>>>>
>>>>> The PSC can transfer copyright to OSGeo at any point (it does not need 
> to
>>>>> take place during incubation, it is just a "service" that OSGeo can 
> provide
>>>>> since it is a legal entity). Clarification - the PSC can only transfer
>>>>> copyright to OSGeo if it was a legal entity. If not the PSC ends up 
> hunting
>>>>> down all the contributors (as we did for the GeoTools project) and 
> asking
>>>>> them each to sign a contribution agreement one at a time...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11 September 2016 at 00:54, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all: FYI update on PyWPS incubation: PyWPS has made much progress
>>>>>> in the last months (see [1]), with a few remaining tasks before 
> bringing
>>>>>> the project forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As project mentor I'm looking for clarification/guidance on the
>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - our (8 year old) incubation process is rooted in PyWPS 3.  Since then
>>>>>> PyWPS 4 has been in development which includes a change in
>>>>>> license (the project is at the 4.0.0-rc2 stage). Are there any issues
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> us continuing on the PyWPS 3 path for OSGeo Incubation? Note we have
>>>>>> kept on the PyWPS 3 path for incubation by design to be consistent with
>>>>>> our approved inbucation process, as well as relevant activities (PyWPS 
> 3
>>>>>> is now a part of OSGeo-Live for example), and given PyWPS 4 is not
>>>>>> final, or mature for that matter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - transfer copyright to OSGeo: this is in discussion in [2].  If we did
>>>>>> decide
>>>>>> to do this, when does this happen?  Before the provenance review? As
>>>>>> part
>>>>>> of the Project Graduation Checklist?  Something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clarification/guidance would be much appreciated at this point, given 
> we
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> just about to start the provenance review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/pywps-dev/2016-September/000889.html
>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/geopython/pywps/issues/84#issuecomment-189980128
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