[Incubator] Fwd: MOSS: OSGeo Heritage Project
Bruce Bannerman
bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com
Fri Aug 20 18:34:17 PDT 2021
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> From: Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Incubator] MOSS: OSGeo Heritage Project
> Date: 20 August 2021 at 08:23:56 AEST
> To: Peter Löwe <peter.loewe at gmx.de>
>
> Hello Peter,
>
> What is your motivation for wanting to take MOSS through an incubation process?
>
> It can be a lot of work for the community and the mentor.
>
> Are you planning to resurrect MOSS into an active project?
>
> If not, based on the information to hand, I don’t see the benefit.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Bruce
>
>
>> On 20 Aug 2021, at 06:25, Peter Löwe <peter.loewe at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hi incubation list, (cc: MOSS archives list)
>>
>> the incubation effort for the MOSS project has made significant progress in the last months.
>>
>> Since a tight timeline was laid out for the recognition of R Geospatial as an OSGeo community project in time for FOSS4G 2021, I would like to ask the incubation committee to consider and assess wether the incubation for MOSS as the first OSGeo heritage project could also be completed in time for FOSS4G 2021 (to be announced at this years Sol Katz award).
>>
>> This wiki page summarizes the OSGeo incubation requirements met by the MOSS heritage project, including links to documents of interest in the MOSS codebase, hosted at OSGeo at GitHub:
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/MOSS_incubation_overview
>>
>> The current OSGeo requirements for project incubation are extended and augmented by the MOSS project with best Open Science practices for open access publication, long term preservation and due credit by scientific citation for initial authors, coders and code maintainers. It would be awesome if OSGeo Incubation would embrace and foster these Open Science concepts.
>>
>> Best,
>> Peter
>>
>> <peter.loewe at gmx.de>
>>
>>
>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. August 2021 um 17:53 Uhr
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>>> 1. Re: Initiating the process for R-Spatial to become an OSGeo
>>> community project (Jody Garnett)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:52:50 -0700
>>> From: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>> To: Edzer Pebesma <edzer.pebesma at uni-muenster.de>
>>> Cc: OSGeo-incubator <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>, Robin Lovelace
>>> <r.lovelace at leeds.ac.uk>, "Roger.Bivand at nhh.no" <Roger.Bivand at nhh.no>
>>> Subject: Re: [Incubator] Initiating the process for R-Spatial to
>>> become an OSGeo community project
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> I was more thinking if you can get a move on you could make the deadline
>>> for the conference....
>>>
>>> Let's look at the timeline:
>>>
>>> 1. If you do the work today ...
>>> 2. We make a motion Friday August 20th
>>> 3. The motion would close Friday September 3rd
>>> 4. I would recommend the project be accepted into osgeo for the board
>>> meeting at the last monday of the of the month .. Monday September 27th
>>> 5. Then joining OSGeo could be announced during the conference...
>>>
>>> Does that make sense from a planning perspective?
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 03:16, Edzer Pebesma <edzer.pebesma at uni-muenster.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jody thanks for getting back; participation is planned:
>>>>
>>>> https://callforpapers.2021.foss4g.org/foss4g2021/talk/VYRV77/
>>>>
>>>> On 17/08/2021 00:35, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>>> Wanted to check back in Edzer, we have our foss4g conference coming up
>>>>> and it would be great to see R part of the party.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 at 14:57, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Edzer:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have setup "edzer" with "project author" permissions to create a
>>>>> project on the osgeo website, when you have something ready (or need
>>>>> any assistance figuring out wordpress) let us know. The page for
>>>>> service providers
>>>>> <
>>>> https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/add-service-provider/
>>>>>
>>>>> is a good example of how everything is broken into tabs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having a dual license (MIT and GPL-2) is just fine and can really be
>>>>> used to reflect your participants values etc.... Indeed a dual
>>>>> license approaches can be very valuable as each encourages a
>>>>> different balance of responsibility and assurances.
>>>>>
>>>>> Examples for your team:
>>>>>
>>>>> * The JTS project has a dual license (LICENSE.md
>>>>> <https://github.com/locationtech/jts/blob/master/LICENSES.md>)
>>>>> of BSD (permissive license promoting wide adoption) and Eclipse
>>>>> License (promoting some projection against patents and so
>>>>> forth). This is a good example of how to do a dual license.
>>>>> * When you have a dual license approach some care is needed in
>>>>> accepting contributions from others: As an example we have run
>>>>> into the GeoServer project which as GPL (with a small exception
>>>>> allowing some eclipse license code). Normally we collect a CLA
>>>>> for all contributions (so we have the ability to donate code to
>>>>> other projects like GeoTools and JTS). Recently some folks
>>>>> collected some code that was abandoned and the original authors
>>>>> were no longer available to sign a CLA. The result is our
>>>>> codebase now has some extensions with LICENSE.md files in
>>>>> specific directories.
>>>>> * It can also be a challenge to communicate what is going on when
>>>>> working with a codebase that has collected influence from
>>>>> different sources. I just updated the GeoTools codebase with
>>>>> its core LGPL LICENSE.md
>>>>> <https://github.com/geotools/geotools/blob/main/LICENSE.md>,
>>>>> followed by a clear notice
>>>>> <
>>>> https://github.com/geotools/geotools/blob/main/licenses/README.md
>>>>> describing
>>>>> listing all the individual licenses
>>>>> <https://github.com/geotools/geotools/tree/main/licenses> for
>>>>> content we have collected from the internet. As an example the
>>>>> project includes the EPSG database so EPSG.md
>>>>> <https://github.com/geotools/geotools/blob/main/licenses/EPSG.md
>>>>> is
>>>>> there as a data distribution license.
>>>>>
>>>>> While the authoritative place for distribution may be CRAN, the
>>>>> source code that generates the work is what would be reviewed when
>>>>> auditing a codebase. Having the license information alongside your
>>>>> code is consistent with the GPL-2 header "/You should have received
>>>>> a copy of the GNU General Public License along with this program/"
>>>>> snippet, and protects your ass-ets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Licenses are all about communicating intent, by choosing github as
>>>>> your forge it is best to follow their conventions for communicating
>>>>> license information to avoid confusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although we are focused on the source code (being an open source
>>>>> foundation), your distribution via CRAN
>>>>> (https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sf/index.html
>>>>> <https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sf/index.html>) is ...
>>>>> incomplete:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) link to LICENSE:
>>>>> https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sf/LICENSE
>>>>> <https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sf/LICENSE> is just a
>>>>> copyright declaration
>>>>>
>>>>> /YEAR: 2016-2020/
>>>>> /COPYRIGHT HOLDER: Edzer Pebesma/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) link to GPL-2: https://cran.r-project.org/web/licenses/GPL-2
>>>>> <https://cran.r-project.org/web/licenses/GPL-2> seems okay
>>>>> 3) link to MIT: https://cran.r-project.org/web/licenses/MIT
>>>>> <https://cran.r-project.org/web/licenses/MIT> has not yet filled in
>>>>> the MIT license (just has the template):
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on http://opensource.org/licenses/MIT
>>>>> <http://opensource.org/licenses/MIT>
>>>>>
>>>>> /This is a template. Complete and ship as file LICENSE the
>>>>> following 2/
>>>>> /lines (only)/
>>>>> /
>>>>> /
>>>>> /YEAR:/
>>>>> /COPYRIGHT HOLDER: /
>>>>> /
>>>>> /
>>>>> /and specify as/
>>>>> /
>>>>> /
>>>>> /License: MIT + file LICENSE/
>>>>> /
>>>>> /
>>>>> /Copyright (c) <YEAR>, <COPYRIGHT HOLDER>/
>>>>> /
>>>>> /
>>>>> /Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person
>>>>> obtaining/
>>>>> /a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the/
>>>>> /"Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction,
>>>>> including/
>>>>> /without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge,
>>>>> publish,/
>>>>> /distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and
>>>> to/
>>>>> /permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so,
>>>>> subject to/
>>>>> /the following conditions:/
>>>>> /
>>>>> /
>>>>> /The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be/
>>>>> /included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software./
>>>>> /
>>>>> /
>>>>> /THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND,/
>>>>> /EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES
>>>> OF/
>>>>> /MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND/
>>>>> /NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT
>>>>> HOLDERS BE/
>>>>> /LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN
>>>>> ACTION/
>>>>> /OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN
>>>>> CONNECTION/
>>>>> /WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE./
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 at 13:35, Edzer Pebesma
>>>>> <edzer.pebesma at uni-muenster.de
>>>>> <mailto:edzer.pebesma at uni-muenster.de>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Jody, thanks for your efforts and positive response!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll try to answer your questions:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Q: What is the project license for sf? Can you clearly
>>>>> indicate it in
>>>>> a LICENSE.md file? Or would that mess up your build?
>>>>>
>>>>> The licence is MIT or GPL-2; I guess that that effectively means
>>>>> MIT,
>>>>> but trying to express appreciation when others share
>>>> modifications
>>>>> they'd redistribute.
>>>>>
>>>>> It wouldn't be a problem to add LICENSE.md, I didn't do that
>>>>> because the
>>>>> authoritative place for released versions is CRAN, which has a
>>>>> landing
>>>>> page for each CRAN package; the one for sf is:
>>>>> https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sf/index.html
>>>>> <https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sf/index.html> where
>>>>> you can see
>>>>> that the licenses are listed with to their corresponding texts.
>>>>> If I
>>>>> would add a LICENSE.md, it duplicates and could be one more
>>>>> source for
>>>>> confusion. This is also the reason we don't do github tags or
>>>>> releases,
>>>>> as CRAN archives all releases; look for "Old sources", which in
>>>>> this
>>>>> case points to all CRAN releases of sf:
>>>>> https://cran.r-project.org/src/contrib/Archive/sf/
>>>>> <https://cran.r-project.org/src/contrib/Archive/sf/>
>>>>>
>>>>> For most R developers, github is a convenience, but CRAN is the
>>>>> place
>>>>> where we release, and where information is complete.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Q: What is your osgeo id? So you can be setup with website
>>>>> access to
>>>>> make a project page
>>>>>
>>>>> My osgeo ID is edzer
>>>>>
>>>>> Many regards,
>>>>> --
>>>>> Edzer Pebesma
>>>>> Institute for Geoinformatics
>>>>> Heisenbergstrasse 2, 48151 Muenster, Germany
>>>>> Phone: +49 251 8333081
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Previous message:
>>>>>
>>>>> First up it is great to see such a strong R community, I have
>>>>> even seen
>>>>> presentations on the *sf* in my local university down "geogeeks"
>>>>> meetup
>>>>> (back when we could you know meet up).
>>>>>
>>>>> I was checking in to see if you had made any progress towards an
>>>>> osgeo
>>>>> project page, and I did not see anything yet...
>>>>>
>>>>> Checking your github repositories such as
>>>>> https://github.com/r-spatial/sf <https://github.com/r-spatial/sf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 Be geospatial
>>>>> - README.md clearly spatial topic :)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Have a free license or open source license
>>>>> - sf LICENSE <-- does not actually list an open source license
>>>>> (so you
>>>>> would trick github license detection)
>>>>> - mapview was clearly GPL
>>>>> - Searching the codebase shows
>>>>> https://github.com/r-spatial/sf/blob/master/DESCRIPTION#L50
>>>>> <https://github.com/r-spatial/sf/blob/master/DESCRIPTION#L50>
>>>>> indicating some
>>>>> combination of MIT and GPL (what is your thought here?)
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Welcome participation and new contributors.
>>>>> - Well I have personally experienced your enthusiastic
>>>>> community, ... but
>>>>> this is a bit more focused on having a policy for things like
>>>>> pull requests.
>>>>> - Massive number of closed pull requests from a wide range of
>>>>> contributors
>>>>> - For sf I did not find a CONTRIBUTING.md file (shown to folks
>>>>> making a
>>>>> pull request) but the README has heading about contributing
>>>>> which is great
>>>>>
>>>>> So this looks okay, but I have questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> Q: What is the project license for sf? Can you clearly indicate
>>>>> it in a
>>>>> LICENSE.md file? Or would that mess up your build?
>>>>> Q: What is your osgeo id? So you can be setup with website
>>>>> access to make a
>>>>> project page
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 at 06:21, Robin Lovelace <rob00x at
>>>>> gmail.com <http://gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We would like to apply, as the 'R-Spatial' community, to
>>>>> become an OSGeo
>>>>>> affiliated organisation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are a diverse group with a shared interest in developing
>>>>> free and open
>>>>>> tools for the reproducible analysis of geographic data. R is
>>>> a
>>>>> popular and
>>>>>> rapidly growing language for statistical computing and 'data
>>>>> science'. It
>>>>>> is already part of the OSGeo ecosystem: the OSGeo Live
>>>>> distribution ships
>>>>>> with R
>>>>> <https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/blob/master/bin/install_R.sh
>>>>> <https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/blob/master/bin/install_R.sh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and R integrates with established OSGeo projects such as
>>>>> GRASS GIS
>>>>>> <https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics
>>>>> <https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/R_statistics>>, SAGA
>>>>>> <https://cran.r-project.org/package=RSAGA
>>>>> <https://cran.r-project.org/package=RSAGA>> and QGIS
>>>>>> <https://docs.qgis.org/3.16/en/docs/
>>>>> <https://docs.qgis.org/3.16/en/docs/>>. R tutorials (which would
>>>>> benefit
>>>>>> from being updated) are listed on the tutorials listed on
>>>>> OSGeo's old
>>>>>> website <http://old.www.osgeo.org/educational_content
>>>>> <http://old.www.osgeo.org/educational_content>>. We would like
>>>> to
>>>>>> update existing content and create new OSGeo-affiliated
>>>>> tutorials for
>>>>> using
>>>>>> R-Spatial software. Many R-Spatial projects have support
>>>>> from the R
>>>>>> Consortium <https://www.r-consortium.org/
>>>>> <https://www.r-consortium.org/>>, opening the possibility of
>>>>>> stronger links between R and OSGeo at an organisational
>>>> level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After a discussion on our GitHub Organisation at
>>>>> github.com/r-spatial <http://github.com/r-spatial>, it
>>>>>> is clear that closer links could be mutually beneficial.
>>>>> Collaboration is
>>>>>> at the heart of open source software and the R community has
>>>>> a long
>>>>>> history. The history of R-GRASS GIS bridges, for example,
>>>>> covers more
>>>>> than 20
>>>>>> years <https://doi.org/10.1016/S0098-3004(00)00057-1
>>>>> <https://doi.org/10.1016/S0098-3004(00)00057-1>> and goes in
>>>> both
>>>>>> directions. R interfaces enable a wide range of people to
>>>> access
>>>>>> OSGeo-supported software from a reproducible command-line
>>>>> interface.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Continued development and innovation in R-OSGeo links are
>>>>> illustrated the
>>>>>> qgisprocess <https://github.com/paleolimbot/qgisprocess
>>>>> <https://github.com/paleolimbot/qgisprocess>> package, which
>>>>>> motivated positive changes in the QGIS source code (see
>>>>>> github.com/paleolimbot/qgisprocess/issues/21
>>>>> <http://github.com/paleolimbot/qgisprocess/issues/21>). The
>>>>> R-Spatial community
>>>>>> relies on the OSGeo projects GDAL, PROJ and GEOS for data
>>>>> access and
>>>>>> geographic operations. Core R-Spatial packages sf, raster
>>>>> and terra use
>>>>>> bindings to the libraries for much of the heavy lifting and
>>>>> many
>>>>> thousands
>>>>>> of people using R for spatial research (often without
>>>>> knowing) run OSGeo
>>>>>> support code every day. We would like to support the ongoing
>>>>> work of
>>>>> these
>>>>>> vital components of the wider community that is represented
>>>>> by the
>>>>>> OSGeo-affiliated conference series FOSS4G. We also anticipate
>>>>> benefits from
>>>>>> being part of the wider OSGeo community and would like to be
>>>>> more active
>>>>>> members of the wider movement advocating free and open source
>>>>> software for
>>>>>> geospatial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'R-Spatial' can be loosely defined as the ecosystem of code,
>>>>> projects and
>>>>>> people using R for working with and adding value to spatial
>>>>> data. A
>>>>>> manifestation of the wider R-Spatial community is the
>>>> friendly,
>>>>> vibrant and
>>>>>> diverse range of voices using the #rspatial
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/search?q=%23rspatial
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/search?q=%23rspatial>> tag on Twitter. For
>>>> the
>>>>>> purposes of OSGeo supported *software* projects however, we
>>>>> define
>>>>>> R-Spatial as the packages found at
>>>>> https://github.com/r-spatial/ <https://github.com/r-spatial/>
>>>> (which
>>>>>> includes sf, stars, mapview, gstat, spdep and many other
>>>>> popular packages
>>>>>> for working with spatial data) and
>>>>> https://github.com/rspatial/ <https://github.com/rspatial/>
>>>> (which
>>>>>> includes packages raster and terra). A (possibly incomplete)
>>>>> list with R
>>>>>> packages that directly link to OSGEO libraries is found here
>>>>>>
>>>>> <
>>>> https://github.com/r-spatial/discuss/wiki/R-packages-that-use-the-OSGEO-stack-in-System-Requirements
>>>>> <
>>>> https://github.com/r-spatial/discuss/wiki/R-packages-that-use-the-OSGEO-stack-in-System-Requirements
>>>>> :>.
>>>>>> Thousands of R packages depend on these packages one way or
>>>>> another.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We would like to initiate the process needed for R-Spatial
>>>>> to eventually
>>>>>> become an OSGeo community project, by achieving the first
>>>>> two of the
>>>>> three
>>>>>> steps as outlined on the Incubation Committee web page
>>>>>>
>>>>> <
>>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_1:_Add_OSGeo_Website_Project_Page
>>>>> <
>>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_1:_Add_OSGeo_Website_Project_Page
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - We would like to create an OSGeo web page with
>>>>> information about key
>>>>>> packages in the 'R-spatial stack', including how they
>>>>> relate to OSGeo
>>>>>> projects
>>>>>> - We would like to become an OSGeo Community Project
>>>>>>
>>>>> <
>>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_2:_Join_Community_Projects_Program
>>>>> <
>>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_2:_Join_Community_Projects_Program
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R-Spatial developers and contributors, including: Robin
>>>>> Lovelace, Roger
>>>>>> Bivand, Edzer Pebesma, Tim Appelhans, Robert Hijmans, Jakub
>>>>> Nowosad, Nick
>>>>>> Bearman, Emmanuel Blondel, Andy Teucher, Marynia Kolak,
>>>>> Timoth?e Giraud,
>>>>>> Ahmadou Dicko, Andrea Gilardi, Lorena Abad, Martijn Tennekes
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Edzer Pebesma
>>>> Institute for Geoinformatics
>>>> Heisenbergstrasse 2, 48151 Muenster, Germany
>>>> Phone: +49 251 8333081
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