[Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project initative
Nick Bearman
nick at nickbearman.com
Thu Oct 24 06:59:26 PDT 2024
Motion now passed to add Terra Draw as an OSGeo Community Project.
Welcome Terra Draw!
Angelos Tzotsos +1
Arnulf Christl +1
Bob (CI-StPaul) Basques
Brian M Hamlin
Daniel Morissette
Dimitris Kotzinos
Frank Warmerdam
Jo Cook +1
Jody Garnett (chair) +1
Michael Smith +1
Nick Bearman +1
Regina Obe (+1 from 28th Aug)
Steve Lime
Tom Kralidis+1
Best wishes,
Nick.
On 04/10/2024 9:34 pm, Angelos Tzotsos via Incubator wrote:
> +1
> Angelos
>
> On 10/2/24 17:49, Nick Bearman via Incubator wrote:
>> Hi James, Jody, it sounds like you came to a conclusion with your
>> discussions. If you have anything to add, or clarify, please do so!
>>
>> Given that we got diverted, I will re-open the motion to include
>> Terra Draw project in OSGeo community initiative:
>>
>> Angelos Tzotsos
>> Arnulf Christl
>> Bob (CI-StPaul) Basques
>> Brian M Hamlin
>> Daniel Morissette
>> Dimitris Kotzinos
>> Frank Warmerdam
>> Jo Cook
>> Jody Garnett (chair)
>> Michael Smith
>> Nick Bearman +1
>> Regina Obe (+1 from 28th Aug)
>> Steve Lime
>> Tom Kralidis
>>
>> Two weeks from now will take us to 16th October.
>>
>> Please do reply!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Nick.
>>
>> On 19/09/2024 17:09, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>> Most headers just indicate the license name and say available in the
>>> root of the software project or something. I do understand that JS
>>> projects are sensitive to character count - so it is fine to avoid
>>> headers - as long as you are doing so on purpose. I think there is
>>> often a compile step these days for JS projects that takes care of
>>> comments (and even long variable names).
>>>
>>> As for Leaflet - the OSGeo website is very much in the "empower
>>> everyone" mandate and lists all the projects it can.
>>> It is for all foss4g software - and is not limited to those that
>>> decided to join the foundation. This is about serving the public
>>> after all.
>>> - -
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2024 at 4:01:52 AM, James Milner
>>> <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for writing out those points, interesting reading. I
>>>> appreciate that the file headers are probably a better practice
>>>> from a licensing perspective, although there is a slight trade off
>>>> in that they can add some 'bulk' to files so to speak which add
>>>> some friction. Let me think about that a bit more and what might
>>>> work well there. Are you aware of scenarios where people simply
>>>> reference the copyright name and date and the license name, rather
>>>> than the full license text? That might be a good compromise. On the
>>>> Leaflet point, it is worth noting that the project is listed on the
>>>> OSGeo website under projects which might be slightly confusing:
>>>> Leaflet - OSGeo <https://www.osgeo.org/projects/leaflet/>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* 19 September 2024 08:02
>>>> *To:* James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
>>>> *Cc:* incubator at lists.osgeo.org <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>; Nick
>>>> Bearman <nick at nickbearman.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community
>>>> project initative
>>>> Hi James,
>>>>
>>>> I am happy - the point is to have this conversation and check that
>>>> you are doing things on purpose.
>>>>
>>>> * We did confirm that a copyright is not needed on the top of each
>>>> file, it is just a good practice, but revision history can
>>>> establish authorship.
>>>> * We were advised by a lawyer a few years ago that it was a good
>>>> practice to have a license at the top of each file - since many
>>>> folks discover code by searching these days.
>>>> (So not a requirement just passing that on).
>>>> * OpenLayers did the much more extensive checking each file history
>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OpenLayers_Provenance_Review>, they
>>>> also have a CLA so great tradability that everyone understood
>>>> they were adding to an open source project.
>>>> * Leaflet is a great project but not associated with OSGeo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - -
>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 19, 2024 at 12:43:47 AM, James Milner
>>>> <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com <mailto:jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Jody,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your reply. I guess I am still looking for a
>>>> definition of what you mean by 'applied correctly' in this
>>>> scenario. The repository has an MIT License file and there is no
>>>> source code in the project (to my knowledge) that is not MIT
>>>> compatibly licensed. To my understanding, unlike Apache 2 or GPL
>>>> the MIT Licence does not require it to be referenced at the top
>>>> of every source file.
>>>>
>>>> If it is a requirement of being a OSGeo Community Project I can
>>>> look at how we could apply a short notice to the top of the
>>>> source files. Just an observation on this more broadly though, I
>>>> checked the source for OpenLayers (BSD-2)
>>>> <https://github.com/openlayers/openlayers/blob/main/src/ol/extent/Relationship.js> and
>>>>
>>>> Leaflet (BSD-2)
>>>> <https://github.com/Leaflet/Leaflet/blob/main/src/map/Map.js>,
>>>> and neither seem to have a notice at the top of their source
>>>> files.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the documentation, currently I would consider the docs
>>>> to be MIT Licensed although with the rest of the project, but I
>>>> see why the docs been CC0 being helpful. Let me think on that as
>>>> it's a great point.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>>
>>>> *Sent:* 19 September 2024 04:42
>>>> *To:* James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com
>>>> <mailto:jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>>
>>>> *Cc:* incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> <mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org> <incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> <mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org>>; Nick Bearman
>>>> <nick at nickbearman.com <mailto:nick at nickbearman.com>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community
>>>> project initative
>>>> I am looking for an assurance from you that the license has been
>>>> applied correctly.
>>>>
>>>> *The assur*ance that you have checked, and perhaps showing the PR
>>>> would be /just fine./
>>>>
>>>> When reviewing I try and find:
>>>>
>>>> 1. An example of a file that can be fixed:
>>>> https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/blob/main/src/store/store.spec.ts
>>>>
>>>> <https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/blob/main/src/store/store.spec.ts>
>>>>
>>>> This file does not have a header - do you expect it to?
>>>>
>>>> 2. An example of a check from another project (this is a MIT
>>>> project that recently became a community project):
>>>> https://github.com/microsoft/torchgeo/blob/main/torchgeo/datasets/agb_live_woody_density.py
>>>>
>>>> <https://github.com/microsoft/torchgeo/blob/main/torchgeo/datasets/agb_live_woody_density.py>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An example of a js file from another community project:
>>>> https://github.com/mapcentia/vidi/blob/master/public/js/gc2/gc2table.js
>>>>
>>>> <https://github.com/mapcentia/vidi/blob/master/public/js/gc2/gc2table.js>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does that help?
>>>>
>>>> Also a question for you as an MIT project... do you consider the
>>>> MIT license as applying to the documentation?
>>>> https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/tree/main/docs
>>>> <https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/tree/main/docs>
>>>>
>>>> Some project choose a CC license?
>>>> https://chooser-beta.creativecommons.org/
>>>> <https://chooser-beta.creativecommons.org/>
>>>>
>>>> * CC0 or CC BY 4.0 is close in spirit to MIT allowing writers
>>>> to remix the documentation into their own work
>>>> * CC BY-SA 4.0 is close in spirit to GPL (copyleft approach
>>>> must retain license)
>>>> * MIT ... um ... consider the documentation source code (imply
>>>> that authors need to cite / quote your work like a book)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also many thanks :)
>>>> - -
>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 16, 2024 at 10:39:08 AM, James Milner
>>>> <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com <mailto:jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>
>>>> Hope you're well. Thanks for raising this - I wasn't sure if
>>>> it was needed for me to respond here or Nick, but can you
>>>> clarify what you mean by file headers in this situation?
>>>> Terra Draw is MIT licensed and the released library does not
>>>> currently have any runtime dependencies (we do have some
>>>> development time dependencies). In addition we do adapt some
>>>> code from the MIT licensed Turf.js project and we call this
>>>> out at the start of files where it happens. I just raised a
>>>> PR that standardises and clarifies those acknowledgements a
>>>> bit better.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if I can do anything else I can do to ensure this
>>>> requirement is met.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Incubator <incubator-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> <mailto:incubator-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> on behalf of Jody
>>>> Garnett via Incubator <incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> <mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>>> *Sent:* 10 September 2024 16:02
>>>> *To:* Nick Bearman <nick at nickbearman.com
>>>> <mailto:nick at nickbearman.com>>
>>>> *Cc:* incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> <mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org> <incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> <mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw
>>>> community project initative
>>>> You can propose Nick,
>>>>
>>>> I think Regina just went over the checklist
>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_1:_Add_OSGeo_Website_Project_Page> for
>>>>
>>>> website page?
>>>>
>>>> For the osgeo community project checklist
>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_2:_Join_OSGeo_Community_Projects_Initiative>...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am especially interested in conforming that Terra Draw has
>>>> gone through their file headers (this is the first step of
>>>> the code providence review that takes such a long time in
>>>> incubation).
>>>>
>>>> Context: For the website we ask that they choose a license.
>>>> To be community project we ask that they check that it is
>>>> applied correctly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - -
>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 10, 2024 at 8:12:19 AM, Nick Bearman via Incubator
>>>> <incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> <mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (I think I can formally propose this, tell me if I am
>>>> wrong and it should be Jody as Chair!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to make the following motion:
>>>>
>>>> > Motion to include Terra Draw project in OSGeo community
>>>> initiative
>>>>
>>>> The repository is here
>>>> https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw
>>>> <https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw> and meets
>>>> our OSGeo
>>>> community initiative checklist (thanks Regina)
>>>>
>>>> The motion is held open for two weeks until 24th
>>>> September.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Angelos Tzotsos
>>>> Arnulf Christl
>>>> Bob (CI-StPaul) Basques
>>>> Brian M Hamlin
>>>> Daniel Morissette
>>>> Dimitris Kotzinos
>>>> Frank Warmerdam
>>>> Jo Cook
>>>> Jody Garnett (chair)
>>>> Michael Smith
>>>> Nick Bearman
>>>> Regina Obe (+1 from 28th Aug)
>>>> Steve Lime
>>>> Tom Kralidis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> Nick.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 30/08/2024 10:10, James Milner via Incubator wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Jody and Regina,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks both for getting back to me with the review.
>>>> Apologies, I probably could have been a bit more
>>>> detailed in my original email after viewing some of
>>>> the other email applications! I followed the
>>>> instructions provided, it was all very clear no real
>>>> feedback except I missed where to upload the 'framed
>>>> screenshot' image but figured it out eventually. The
>>>> template images were really helpful with the correct
>>>> dimensions and layouts needed.
>>>>
>>>> I would actually say the more complicated part, and
>>>> maybe I missed something here, was the initial
>>>> process of getting here. I was mostly following
>>>> instructions for Incubation Committee - OSGeo
>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_1:_Add_OSGeo_Website_Project_Page> rather
>>>>
>>>> than Add a Project - OSGeo
>>>> <https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/add-a-project/> which
>>>>
>>>> may have confused things slightly, as it took me a
>>>> while to figure out how to sign up for an OSGeo ID
>>>> then get the mantra, then also sign up for the
>>>> mailing list. Maybe the wiki should just link to the
>>>> OSGeo Add a Project page rather than having two
>>>> 'sources of truth' so to speak? I also wonder if the
>>>> OSGeo signup process could be simplified to use some
>>>> sort of automated CAPTCHA rather than emailing the
>>>> mantra? Hope this is helpful feedback.
>>>>
>>>> I have submitted the Terra Draw project for review,
>>>> let me know if there are any adjustments to make.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* 28 August 2024 20:47
>>>> *To:* Regina Obe <lr at pcorp.us> <mailto:lr at pcorp.us>
>>>> *Cc:* James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>;
>>>> incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> <mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org><incubator at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>> <mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Incubator] Terra Draw
>>>> Seems good, thanks for your application James and
>>>> review Regina.
>>>>
>>>> James I would really *love* your feedback on the new
>>>> "Add a project
>>>> <https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/add-a-project/>"
>>>>
>>>> instructions. Easy feedback like typos, but most
>>>> importantly and confusion or questions you have.
>>>>
>>>> I have added "project author" to your profile.
>>>> - -
>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2024 at 1:28:31 PM, Regina Obe
>>>> <lr at pcorp.us <mailto:lr at pcorp.us>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1 looks okay to me.
>>>>
>>>> 1. I see license file
>>>> 2. contributing file
>>>> 3. getting started guides -
>>>> https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/blob/main/guides/1.GETTING_STARTED.md
>>>>
>>>> <https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/blob/main/guides/1.GETTING_STARTED.md>
>>>>
>>>> 4. Many releases
>>>> 5. Healthy number of contributors
>>>>
>>>> @Jody Garnett <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com> any
>>>> concerns?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Incubator
>>>> <incubator-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> <mailto:incubator-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> *On
>>>> Behalf Of *James Milner via Incubator
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2024 2:54 PM
>>>> *To:* incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> <mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>> *Subject:* [Incubator] Terra Draw
>>>>
>>>> Incubation committee:
>>>>
>>>> I would like to ask permission to list my project
>>>> "Terra Draw" on the OSGeo website in order to
>>>> share my work with the community.
>>>>
>>>> Terra Draw is a JavaScript library which allows
>>>> for drawing and editing of geometries on maps. It
>>>> works with a selection of different mapping
>>>> providers, including Leaflet, MapLibre and
>>>> OpenLayers and has been going for over 2 years
>>>> now and I am eager to help more people use it.
>>>>
>>>> The repository is located here:
>>>> https://www.github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw
>>>> <https://www.github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw> and
>>>> is released under the MIT license
>>>>
>>>> My OSGeo userid is "jameslmilner" and I will need
>>>> permission to create a project page.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
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