[Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project initative

Thu Sep 19 04:24:47 PDT 2024

Hi James,

I think Leaflet listed for the same reason our project are, isn’t it?

As part of the process, you must create a project page then do these discussions to get officially listed. I’m guessing they just didn’t carry on the process?

Perhaps there should just be a list of projects under consideration?

I have been keeping track of this debate from the GIFramework Maps point of view but thinking we are not ready to progress to the next step yet because we want to grow the size of our open community for the project first. It is for this reason that I’d personally like to stay in the current situation for a good few months because it might help to get more people interested and it means we should be more ready to go when the timing is right.

I do also note that there is a comment above the search box which states approved projects will have a little flag in the top right saying if they are a project or community project so the absence of that icon must mean it is under consideration.

Hope that is a useful interjection.

Paul

From: Incubator <incubator-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> On Behalf Of James Milner via Incubator
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Subject: Re: [Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project initative

Hi Jody,
Thanks for writing out those points, interesting reading. I appreciate that the file headers are probably a better practice from a licensing perspective, although there is a slight trade off in that they can add some 'bulk' to files so to speak which add some friction. Let me think about that a bit more and what might work well there. Are you aware of scenarios where people simply reference the copyright name and date and the license name, rather than the full license text? That might be a good compromise. On the Leaflet point, it is worth noting that the project is listed on the OSGeo website under projects which might be slightly confusing: Leaflet - OSGeo<https://www.osgeo.org/projects/leaflet/>

All the best,

James

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Sent: 19 September 2024 08:02
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Subject: Re: [Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project initative

Hi James,

I am happy - the point is to have this conversation and check that you are doing things on purpose.

  *   We did confirm that a copyright is not needed on the top of each file, it is just a good practice, but revision history can establish authorship.
  *   We were advised by a lawyer a few years ago that it was a good practice to have a license at the top of each file - since many folks discover code by searching these days.
(So not a requirement just passing that on).
  *   OpenLayers did the much more extensive checking each file history<https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OpenLayers_Provenance_Review>, they also have a CLA so great tradability that everyone understood they were adding to an open source project.
  *   Leaflet is a great project but not associated with OSGeo

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Jody Garnett

On Sep 19, 2024 at 12:43:47 AM, James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com<mailto:jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Jody,

Thanks for your reply. I guess I am still looking for a definition of what you mean by 'applied correctly' in this scenario. The repository has an MIT License file and there is no source code in the project (to my knowledge) that is not MIT compatibly licensed. To my understanding, unlike Apache 2 or GPL the MIT Licence does not require it to be referenced at the top of every source file.

If it is a requirement of being a OSGeo Community Project I can look at how we could apply a short notice to the top of the source files. Just an observation on this more broadly though, I checked the source for OpenLayers (BSD-2)<https://github.com/openlayers/openlayers/blob/main/src/ol/extent/Relationship.js> and Leaflet (BSD-2)<https://github.com/Leaflet/Leaflet/blob/main/src/map/Map.js>, and neither seem to have a notice at the top of their source files.

Regarding the documentation, currently I would consider the docs to be MIT Licensed although with the rest of the project, but I see why the docs been CC0 being helpful. Let me think on that as it's a great point.

Many thanks,

James
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Subject: Re: [Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project initative

I am looking for an assurance from you that the license has been applied correctly.

The assurance that you have checked, and perhaps showing the PR would be just fine.

When reviewing I try and find:

  1.  An example of a file that can be fixed: https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/blob/main/src/store/store.spec.ts
This file does not have a header - do you expect it to?
  2.  An example of a check from another project (this is a MIT project that recently became a community project):
https://github.com/microsoft/torchgeo/blob/main/torchgeo/datasets/agb_live_woody_density.py

An example of a js file from another community project:
https://github.com/mapcentia/vidi/blob/master/public/js/gc2/gc2table.js

Does that help?

Also a question for you as an MIT project... do you consider the MIT license as applying to the documentation? https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/tree/main/docs

Some project choose a CC license? https://chooser-beta.creativecommons.org/

  *   CC0 or CC BY 4.0 is close in spirit to MIT allowing writers to remix the documentation into their own work
  *   CC BY-SA 4.0 is close in spirit to GPL (copyleft approach must retain license)
  *   MIT ... um ... consider the documentation source code (imply that authors need to cite / quote your work like a book)

Also many thanks :)
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Jody Garnett

On Sep 16, 2024 at 10:39:08 AM, James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com<mailto:jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Jody,

Hope you're well. Thanks for raising this - I wasn't sure if it was needed for me to respond here or Nick, but can you clarify what you mean by file headers in this situation? Terra Draw is MIT licensed and the released library does not currently have any runtime dependencies (we do have some development time dependencies). In addition we do adapt some code from the MIT licensed Turf.js project and we call this out at the start of files where it happens. I just raised a PR that standardises and clarifies those acknowledgements a bit better.

Let me know if I can do anything else I can do to ensure this requirement is met.

Many thanks,

James

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Subject: Re: [Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project initative

You can propose Nick,

I think Regina just went over the checklist<https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_1:_Add_OSGeo_Website_Project_Page> for website page?

For the osgeo community project checklist<https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_2:_Join_OSGeo_Community_Projects_Initiative>...

I am especially interested in conforming that Terra Draw has gone through their file headers (this is the first step of the code providence review that takes such a long time in incubation).

Context: For the website we ask that they choose a license. To be community project we ask that they check that it is applied correctly.

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Jody Garnett

On Sep 10, 2024 at 8:12:19 AM, Nick Bearman via Incubator <incubator at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org>> wrote:

(I think I can formally propose this, tell me if I am wrong and it should be Jody as Chair!)

I would like to make the following motion:

> Motion to include Terra Draw project in OSGeo community initiative

The repository is here https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw and meets our OSGeo
community initiative checklist (thanks Regina)

The motion is held open for two weeks until 24th September.

Angelos Tzotsos
Arnulf Christl
Bob (CI-StPaul) Basques
Brian M Hamlin
Daniel Morissette
Dimitris Kotzinos
Frank Warmerdam
Jo Cook
Jody Garnett (chair)
Michael Smith
Nick Bearman
Regina Obe (+1 from 28th Aug)
Steve Lime
Tom Kralidis

Best wishes,
Nick.

On 30/08/2024 10:10, James Milner via Incubator wrote:
Hey Jody and Regina,

Thanks both for getting back to me with the review. Apologies, I probably could have been a bit more detailed in my original email after viewing some of the other email applications! I followed the instructions provided, it was all very clear no real feedback except I missed where to upload the 'framed screenshot' image but figured it out eventually. The template images were really helpful with the correct dimensions and layouts needed.

I would actually say the more complicated part, and maybe I missed something here, was the initial process of getting here. I was mostly following instructions for Incubation Committee - OSGeo<https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_1:_Add_OSGeo_Website_Project_Page> rather than Add a Project - OSGeo<https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/add-a-project/> which may have confused things slightly, as it took me a while to figure out how to sign up for an OSGeo ID then get the mantra, then also sign up for the mailing list. Maybe the wiki should just link to the OSGeo Add a Project page rather than having two 'sources of truth' so to speak? I also wonder if the OSGeo signup process could be simplified to use some sort of automated CAPTCHA rather than emailing the mantra? Hope this is helpful feedback.

I have submitted the Terra Draw project for review, let me know if there are any adjustments to make.

All the best,

James

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Sent: 28 August 2024 20:47
To: Regina Obe <lr at pcorp.us><mailto:lr at pcorp.us>
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Subject: Re: [Incubator] Terra Draw

Seems good, thanks for your application James and review Regina.

James I would really *love* your feedback on the new "Add a project<https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/add-a-project/>" instructions. Easy feedback like typos, but most importantly and confusion or questions you have.

I have added "project author" to your profile.
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Jody Garnett

On Aug 28, 2024 at 1:28:31 PM, Regina Obe <lr at pcorp.us<mailto:lr at pcorp.us>> wrote:

+1 looks okay to me.

  1.  I see license file
  2.  contributing file
  3.  getting started guides - https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/blob/main/guides/1.GETTING_STARTED.md
  4.  Many releases
  5.  Healthy number of contributors

@Jody Garnett<mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com> any concerns?

From: Incubator <incubator-bounces at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:incubator-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> On Behalf Of James Milner via Incubator
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2024 2:54 PM
To: incubator at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: [Incubator] Terra Draw

Incubation committee:

I would like to ask permission to list my project "Terra Draw" on the OSGeo website in order to share my work with the community.

Terra Draw is a JavaScript library which allows for drawing and editing of geometries on maps. It works with a selection of different mapping providers, including Leaflet, MapLibre and OpenLayers and has been going for over 2 years now and I am eager to help more people use it.

The repository is located here: https://www.github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw and is released under the MIT license

My OSGeo userid is "jameslmilner" and I will need permission to create a project page.

Many thanks,

James

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