Res: [Live-demo] GISVM license and copyright ownership?

Fri Aug 28 18:18:40 EDT 2009

Thanks for the clarification Richardo.
I understand where you are coming from and agree that you deserve the 
credit for creating the GISVM brand.

Ricardo Pinho wrote:
> I understand your point, Cameron.
> Please note that I am NOT trying to claim all the future work on GISVM for my benefit!
> I really think this is an oportunitty to get all the potencial out of the GISVM idea..
>
> For the community, I must state that, I've just registered GISVM name to prevent that someone "EVIL" could do it after!
> I've been building the GISVM name and reputation until these days and I suppose its fair to give me credit for that. 
> I really think I am not asking to much!
>
> You mention the Linux example: 
> http://www.linuxmark.org/
> "Protecting The Linux® Trademark For The Open Source Community"
> "This is the official website of the Linux Mark Institute, exclusive licensor of the Linux trademark on behalf of its owner, Linus Torvalds. "
>
>
> "This page describes how to publicly acknowledge that Linus Torvalds is the owner of the Linux trademark. "
> http://www.linuxmark.org/attribution.php
>
> Everyone knows that Linux is not a one man (Linus) work. But still everyone knows that Linus is the guy that started it. Because he claims the LINUX name trademark for himself.
>
> If this is a problem for the growing of this project (Live Demo) and for the interests of OSGeo, I guess, you only need to use another name. But please make use of GISVM. It's a free and open project, just do what you like with it! ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Ricardo Pinho
>
>
>
> ----- Mensagem original ----
> De: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at lisasoft.com>
> Para: Ricardo Pinho <rpinho_eng at yahoo.com.br>
> Cc: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>; "live-demo at lists.osgeo.org" <live-demo at lists.osgeo.org>
> Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 28 de Agosto de 2009 0:17:07
> Assunto: Re: [Live-demo] GISVM license and copyright ownership?
>
> Ricardo,
> At the risk of diving into a deep philosophical discussion,
>
> One of the delicate balances involved in branding and licencing an Open Source project is ubalancing between increasing reputation by attracting participants, and gaining association through licence, trademark or infrastructure ownership.
>
> Both a larger, more successful project, and stronger branding increases reputations, and work opportunities for owners. However, contributors will sometimes decide not to contribute if they perceive that someone else will excessively gain from the contributors hard work.
>
> On one extreme, an owner can do all the work, claim all branding, and benefit from all reputation, but will have to bear the cost of all the development.
>
> At the other end, lots of people create a great product, but no one person can claim the space.
>
> I don't have a magic answer to this, and I'm currently having this same discussion with LISAsoft legal and marketing department who want to see credit for LISAsoft's current investment in effort.
>
> I think what is likely to work best is to follow the Linux core software model, and have all contributors own their own contributions, preferably under LGPL, so that the code can roll back into contributing projects if needed.
>
> Ricardo Pinho wrote:
>   
>> Cameron,
>>
>>  
>>     
>>> I note
>>>    
>>>       
>> your registration of the GISVM trademark. I'm not sure what the  
>>     
>>> implications of this is. Do we need to change directory names or
>>>    
>>>       
>> something?
>>
>> Please use GISVM name as much as you like!
>> In my understanding:
>> if you use it, just make sure you note about it being a registered trade mark
>> of Ricardo Pinho, everytime you mention copyright terms, like Copyright OSGeo… I
>> think that’s fair enought… ;-)
>>
>> RP
>>
>>
>> ----- Mensagem original ----
>> De: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
>> Para: Ricardo Pinho <rpinho_eng at yahoo.com.br>
>> Cc: "live-demo at lists.osgeo.org" <live-demo at lists.osgeo.org>
>> Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 27 de Agosto de 2009 12:44:12
>> Assunto: Re: [Live-demo] GISVM license and copyright ownership?
>>
>> The reason for using a less restrictive license than GPL is so that the scripts can be incorporated back into the build process of a less restrictive licenced project.
>>
>> Ie, as it stands, if UDig (which is LGPL), wanted to incorporate the install_udig.sh script into UDig's code base, then it could potentially have to convert all its code to GPL. I might be missing some fine legal points, but the general gist is right.
>>
>> Hence my proposal to go with the less restrictive LGPL.
>>
>> Regarding licence ownership, we can go for joint ownership - "everyone owns the code they contribute", if you like.
>>
>> I note your registration of the GISVM trademark. I'm not sure what the implications of this is. Do we need to change directory names or something?
>>
>> Ricardo Pinho wrote:
>>  
>>     
>>> Cameron,
>>>
>>> Just would like to remember all, that:
>>>
>>> 1. GISVM (name) is a personal registered trademark of mine.
>>> 2. GISVM has been, from the beginning, licensed has GPL (GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 3)
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to know why to use LGPL instead of GPL on scripts? (Don't have nothing against it...)
>>> Is that for guarantee that third party can make commercial products and services out of those scripts?
>>>
>>> But I am only trying to clarify on this subject (I'm not an expert...) 
>>> Best,
>>> Ricardo Pinho
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Mensagem original ----
>>> De: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
>>> Para: "live-demo at lists.osgeo.org" <live-demo at lists.osgeo.org>
>>> Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 26 de Agosto de 2009 21:41:01
>>> Assunto: [Live-demo] GISVM license and copyright ownership?
>>>
>>> I propose that we license the build scripts associated with GISVM as LGPL, with copyright assigned to the Open Source Geospatial Foundation.
>>>
>>> I don't feel strongly either way regarding license, so if someone has a alternative suggestion, please speak up.
>>> I want to have this resolved by Friday (tomorrow) so that we have a license in place when I send out a press release asking for participation in creating install scripts.
>>>
>>> -- Cameron Shorter
>>> Geospatial Systems Architect
>>> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
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>>>
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> -- Cameron Shorter
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>
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