[Live-demo] Using OSGeo hosting platform fordevelopingArramagong/LiveDVD/GISVM

Sun Nov 1 17:29:06 EST 2009

Ricardo,

I like the idea of the USB because it can be used for recording.  Lots
of potential uses there.  I like to think of a USB version of things as
a captive development environment.  The developer has control over just
about everything, even Browser.

The VM approach always seems to miss out on some tiny little (but
important) factor at some point.

Seems like those interested in a particular OS should be able to develop
on it without the worries associated with a VM.

Being able to plug and play different versions of component also come to
mind, where the USB can be continually added to over time.

The USB approach also seems to be a lot slighter learning curve, at
least to get something up and running.

bobb

>>> Ricardo Pinho <rpinho_eng at yahoo.com.br> 11/01/09 1:55 AM >>>
Hi Bob,

> Is this intended as a learning tool, a production
> implementation of a stack or ???

It is intended to a wide range of implementations areas.
This is my opinion and a conclusion that I take from GISVM users
feedback during the 1 year of GISVM lifetime.

I've tried to point out this during my FOSS4G 2009 presentation:
http://2009.foss4g.org/presentations/#presentation_176

The learning/teaching goal is the most obvious one. (workshops,
tutorials...) 
FOSS4G Demonstration is also obvious. Every software
presenter/commercial/salesman I know uses VM's for their demonstrations.
Software Distribution is another inevitable goal (FOSS4G LiveDVD)
Cloud computing, can also be a success if well explored (Click2Try)
I use it everyday at my Job (Local Authority) as a GIS Workstation and
Server solution.
You can also use it as a developers stack for beta-testing their apps...
etc

So, I think it doesn't have to do with the intention, but what is behind
all of that.
That's how I have chosen the GISVM name. GIS and Virtualization!

For instance, Live-demo is also a good name, but it lacks Geospatial
reference and it strictly indicates demo implementation.
We can eventually go for "FOSS4G VM", to link it to the FOSS4G
conference... or "OSGeo VM", if OpenGeo guys don't mind...;-)

> Also, I've become interested my self with building USB based systems
> that work similarly, and seem to span OSs a little easier. 

That's what I initially proposed to Cameron when he asked me for
participating on the LiveDVD build.
As far as I understood, the problem was about funding associated to
FOSS4G 2009. It only allowed DVD burning, not USB sticks!
On the technical point of view, it's identical, producing a LiveDVD or a
LiveUSB.

Thank you for your opinion.

Cheers,
Ricardo Pinho
http://gisvm.com

----- Mensagem original ----
De: Bob Basques <Bob.Basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
Para: live-demo at lists.osgeo.org; rpinho_eng at yahoo.com.br
Cc: cameron.shorter at lisasoft.com
Enviadas: Sábado, 31 de Outubro de 2009 16:41:27
Assunto: Re: [Live-demo] Using OSGeo hosting platform for
developingArramagong/LiveDVD/GISVM

All,

I've watched this progress leading up to the Sydney event from the
sidelines.  I have a question about the final intent of the product
though.  Is this intended as a learning tool, a production
implementation of a stack or ???

I think this question needs to have some clarification put to it,
especially with regard to naming.  Also, there might be more than one
final version of things depending on use, so some sort of naming
convention  might be useful as well.

Also, I've become interested my self with building USB based systems
that work similarly, and seem to span OSs a little easier.  At least
based on the traffic I saw in the list leading up to Sydney.   On USB
for many OS's.  I'm also pondering if there might be a method that allow
for mixing the two, VM and USB(native OS based)

I have many business interests related to this, most recently emergency
management, but port data stores are also of interest as well as syncing
of datastores, as in collecting offline and syncing when network
available.

Just thought I would chime in here on these poinHi,

This question has crossed my mind quite a bit and I think we should come
up with an answer together:

“How to continue
using OSGeo hosting platform for developing Arramagong/LiveDVD/GISVM
project?”

There are
many distinct tools and references on the internet for this project:

a)       Several
Wiki pages: 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GISVM_Build
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Packages

b)       Svn
trunk: 
https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/

c)       Trac
platform
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/livedvd/gisvm

d)       Download
site:
http://download.osgeo.org/livedvd/index.html

e)       Live-Demo
mailing list
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/

f)         Arramagong
site
http://www.arramagong.com

g)       GISVM
site
http://gisvm.com

So, how can
we organize it on a simple structure for simplicity and integration of
all
these?

I
understand that this is the result from joining several projects and
products.
But there are now too many names involved on this initiative. This
doesn’t help
the clarification for user and developer understanding.. Even I get
confused
about this and explaining it is even harder!

My opinion
is that we should start to agree on defining “one unique name” for the
process
of building the install script repository and the resulting Virtual
Machine
development build. Then there
could be several names for resulting products like: Arramagong, LiveDVD,
GISVM,
etc.

But this is
only a start-up suggestion, and I would appreciate others thoughts about
this… 

Thank you,
Ricardo
Pinho

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