[Live-demo] FW: IRC meeting to discuss RC3 and final releases of the liveDVD

Cameron Shorter cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Thu Mar 4 22:20:38 EST 2010 

To add to Gaby's suggestion.
I'm aware that some projects already have comprehensive documentation, 
probably available via PDF.

I suspect it would be appropriate to provide a section in our 
description documentation template like:

* Further Information
** Detailed user documentation about this project is available at: ...
** Detailed developer documentation can be found at ...
** ...


Gaby Van Wyk wrote:
> Hi Juan
>
> The idea is to try and move content around, make sure that all the same type of content is available in all documents at roughly the same place. I will also edit the documents for language and that type of thing. Make it look like it was written by the same person, almost. Will work closely with the document owners, but we want to try and make it familiar across the different packages. If something is missing, I will liaise with the group to get that information.
>
> The final result will remain HTML.
>
> I agree with your comment on images / diagrams, and I know it will be ok if you added some. (Cameron - your comment please...)  I guess links to PDF's are OK, but long term, my preference would be not to include PDF. 
>
> Hope that answers your question.
>
> Gaby VanWyk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio [mailto:juan_lucas_dr at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2010 2:49 AM
> To: live-demo at lists.osgeo.org; Gaby Van Wyk
> Subject: Re: [Live-demo] FW: IRC meeting to discuss RC3 and final releases of the liveDVD
>
> Hello, Gaby:
>
> I don't understand very well what you intend to do. Have you seen the current state of the docs in Arramagong v3 RC2? The sh scripts automatically create an index (definitions) that lets the user see the descriptions. All in HTML and reasonagly homogeneous, though perhaps incomplete.
>
> Do you mean you are going to add the descriptions of packages that have not added it yet?
>
> Which output format are you going to use?
>
> Is it a problem to have some PDF in the folder /usr/local/share/package and add a hyperlink to it from the package description? The OSGeo wiki says we should not add images in the description, but if we are talking about GIS software, I think hyperlinks to colorful PDFs must be allowed, no?
>
>
> Regards
> Juan Lucas
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Gaby Van Wyk <gvanwyk at openspatial.com.au> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Gaby Van Wyk <gvanwyk at openspatial.com.au>
>> Subject: [Live-demo] FW: IRC meeting to discuss RC3 and final releases of the liveDVD
>> To: "live-demo at lists.osgeo.org" <live-demo at lists.osgeo.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 6:56 AM
>> Hi All
>>
>> In a discussion with Cameron (see e-mail trail below) I
>> have volunteered to get all of the documentation currently
>> available for each of the projects under the live DVD into a
>> similar structure and style. This time around this will be a
>> manual process, but hopefully we can automate this in
>> future.
>>
>> I would appreciate any comments, tips or other ideas. If
>> any of the documentation needs updating first, please let me
>> know so I can leave those for last.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Gaby van Wyk
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 3 March 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: Gaby Van Wyk
>> Subject: Re: IRC meeting to discuss RC3 and final releases
>> of the liveDVD
>>
>> Gaby, nice talk with you and thank you for volunteering to
>> look into the documentation for the LiveDVD.
>>
>> As promised, here are details for updating documentation on
>> the liveDVD.
>>
>> 0. Please email the live dvd list, live-demo at lists.osgeo.org,
>> letting people know about your intentions. You are welcome
>> to forward this email if you like.
>>
>> 1. We have asked package maintainers to create
>> documentation for their projects according to this wiki
>> page:
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Build#Writing_docs
>> Once you are complete, you will likely want to change this
>> process This section also notes where you will need to
>> access the description files to update.
>>
>> 2. The script which installs the docs onto the LiveDVD is
>> at:
>> https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/bin/install_main_docs.sh
>>
>> 3. Attached is material which could be used as a basis for
>> your final introductory text.
>>
>> 4. In order to commit your changes back into subversion,
>> you will need to create an osgeo user id for yourself, then
>> tell me so that I can grant you svn permission, as per:
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#OSGeo_User_Id
>>
>> Good luck. Let me know how you are progressing.
>>
>> Gaby Van Wyk wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Cameron
>>>
>>> Yes I am willing to take that on.
>>>
>>> Ideally it would be nice to provide an application
>>>       
>> that will guide people through the creation of
>> documentation, people can concentrate of creating content,
>> style will be automated afterwards. I realise that we do not
>> have the time for the creation of such an application, but I
>> will try to establish a document framework and an Open
>> Office Template (OTT) with some guidelines. Is that OK?
>>     
>>> For the future, would it be possible to find some
>>>       
>> space on the OSGeo server to host an application that can be
>> used for collaborated development?
>>     
>>> Gaby
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 3 March 2010 7:02 AM
>>> To: Gaby Van Wyk
>>> Subject: Re: IRC meeting to discuss RC3 and final
>>>       
>> releases of the 
>>     
>>> liveDVD
>>>
>>> Gaby,
>>> I wonder whether you would like to take on the task of
>>>       
>> making the 
>>     
>>> LiveDVD documentation consistent between projects, and
>>>       
>> any other 
>>     
>>> issues you think should be addresses, as per agenda
>>>       
>> item in the 
>>     
>>> meeting this Friday morning (6am).
>>>
>>> Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>    
>>>       
>>>> I suggest we have a meeting this Th/Fr to discuss
>>>>         
>> outstanding issues 
>>     
>>>> on the LiveDVD, as per wiki page below.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to add items to the agenda
>>>>
>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Meeting_Minutes#Th.2FFr_4_Ma
>>>> r_2010
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 
>>>> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2010&month
>>>>
>>>>         
>> =3&day=4&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=22&p2=240&p3=195&p4=179&p5=137
>>     
>>>> <http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2010&mont
>>>>
>>>>         
>> h=3&day=4&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=22&p2=240&p3=195&p4=179&p5=137>
>>     
>>>> Location: irc://freenode.net#foss4g
>>>>
>>>> Background:
>>>>
>>>>     * According to our schedule, we are a
>>>>         
>> few days late for our RC3
>>     
>>>>       release. I hope that we can
>>>>         
>> the next release out this weekend,
>>     
>>>>       
>>>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpS
>>>> UczbW9IRWZNclE&hl=en_GB
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>> <http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1Np
>>>> SUczbW9IRWZNclE&hl=en_GB>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     * And we have 12 days till the final
>>>>         
>> release.
>>     
>>>>     * This meeting is to set out our plan
>>>>         
>> for getting this final release
>>     
>>>>       out the door.
>>>>
>>>> Agenda:
>>>>
>>>>     * Planning and documenting testing,
>>>>         
>> as per: [Live_GIS_Disc_Testing].
>>     
>>>>       I want to have a brief test
>>>>         
>> description for every package, and
>>     
>>>>       then track that someone has
>>>>         
>> tested every application.
>>     
>>>>     * Decide on background image
>>>>     * Decide on menu structure, (can we
>>>>         
>> loose the icons from the desktop?)
>>     
>>>>     *  From the next release, we
>>>>         
>> need to test creating an ISO image. Do
>>     
>>>>       we have a volunteer?
>>>>     * Documentation: I'd love it if
>>>>         
>> someone could go through all
>>     
>>>>       documentation and make it
>>>>         
>> consistent (without changing any
>>     
>>>>       content). If we are really
>>>>         
>> keen, it would be good if someone could
>>     
>>>>       incorporate Jody's OpenOffice
>>>>         
>> overview of each package, and
>>     
>>>>       incorporate this into the
>>>>         
>> documentation build. Jody has documented
>>     
>>>>       how to start up and run most
>>>>         
>> of the packages, using screen
>>     
>>>>       snapshots and all. I've worked
>>>>         
>> out how we can convert these docs
>>     
>>>>       into HTML from an install
>>>>         
>> script using abiword. If we haven't got
>>     
>>>>       time for this, it will need to
>>>>         
>> wait until the next release.
>>     
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>    
>>>       
>> --
>> Cameron Shorter
>> Geospatial Solutions Manager
>> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
>> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
>>
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>
>
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