[Live-demo] [Ubuntu] UbuntuGIS - Google Summer of Code - packaging Java based OSGeo applications

Sun Jun 16 15:36:05 PDT 2013

Andreas,
Thank you for your kind offer.

I think the key thing we are looking for is an understanding of what 
needs to be done to package java applications - something like a HOWTO 
or similar, such that other projects can follow your footsteps.

Probably the best way to achieve this start packaging one of the 
projects. I'm open to suggestions, but suspect that a good start would 
be to work out how to package geoserver, which I'm guessing will require 
packaging of geotools, jts, and possibly a few others beforehand.

Please do keep us informed of what you are achieving as you are working 
on it, as it will likely help others to support you.

On 16/06/2013 8:34 PM, Andreas Paukner-Ruzicka wrote:
> Hi,
> I'd like to support OSGeo Live with my Java and Ubuntu knowledge to help
> getting Java packages apt-get installable.
> I don't have much time, but an hour a day I could maybe spend on this.
> Please let me know if this helps and on which packages you like me to
> start working on.
>
> Mit freundlichen Gruessen/Best regards
> Andreas Paukner-Ruzicka
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> On 11/06/13 23:12, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> Alex,
>> I defer to your deeper experience with packaging, and agree that your
>> analysis and suggestions make sense.
>>
>> On 12/06/13 07:03, Alex Mandel wrote:
>>> Cameron,
>>>
>>> Thats a tricky dependency issue, we are likely to opt to use 12.04
>>> instead of 13.04 because Ubuntugis is not up to date. But many people
>>> who try OSGeo-Live might then actually move to trying on 13.04. So in
>>> my mind making sure existing already packaged projects are up to date
>>> takes precedence over things that have never been deb packaged and
>>> might be hard to create deb packages for. Even prioritizing Java
>>> stuff first I have no expectations that even a fraction will be done
>>> in time for OSGeo Live 7. However focusing on Debian/Ubuntugis
>>> current packages I expect all of those will be ready in time for
>>> either 12.04 or 13.04.
>>>
>>>
>>> So I disagree with you and agree with Alan on this plan. Having
>>> working QGIS, GRASS, Postgis etc that all work together correctly is
>>> more important to me than Java projects being apt-get installable.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On 06/11/2013 01:52 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>> Alan,
>>>> Re Java packaging, our biggest hurdle is there seems to be very few
>>>> people with java packaging experience, which is why it would be very
>>>> valuable to have someone research what is required, and set out a
>>>> roadmap for others to follow.
>>>>
>>>> If we were to focus on java packaging for OSGeo-Live 7.0 (to be
>>>> released
>>>> at foss4g 2013), then I'd suggest that java packaging should be
>>>> focussed
>>>> on first, in order to give java projects time to help out. (I'm
>>>> expecting there to be quite a bit of research and discussion with
>>>> projects required). This would likely be at the expense of other
>>>> packaging efforts.
>>>>
>>>> So while I'd love to see the java packaging issues worked out as the
>>>> primary goal, if we are to follow up with your schedule (which is a
>>>> good
>>>> plan), I expect that java packaging will need to wait for a few more
>>>> releases. (Maybe a focus for a future GSoC project)
>>>>
>>>> On 12/06/13 03:41, Alex Mandel wrote:
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that we should 1. make sure Debian (and therefore Ubuntu) are
>>>>> up to date on existing packages, 2. create instructions, workflows and
>>>>> tools to make it easier to maintain (and bring in new maintainers, 3.
>>>>> then move on to other ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> For those who haven't seen the plan
>>>>> https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2013/jlarouche/16001
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06/11/2013 05:40 AM, Alan Boudreault wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Cameron,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm really for the java packaging effort. One of the difficulty I
>>>>>> see is
>>>>>> that as its mentor.. I do not have any java packaging experience.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> is something Jérome will have to learn by himself and any
>>>>>> collaboration
>>>>>> with other devs will be appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, before doing any java packaging stuff, I'd like to follow to
>>>>>> the GSoC plan. When everything is update and that we have a working
>>>>>> debian stable repository... we are going to start this effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it ok with you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13-06-07 05:45 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>>> Jerome, Alan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We discussed ideas about Jerome's contribution toward OSGeo-Live
>>>>>>> in our
>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live weekly meeting yesterday and we see this summer-of-code
>>>>>>> project as an excellent opportunity to tackle one of the difficult
>>>>>>> packaging issues we have had to date. Namely, the packaging of java
>>>>>>> based applications.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Historically, java packaging into ubuntu has been difficult, largely
>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>> to osgeo projects being dependant upon Sun Java, and Debian
>>>>>>> packaging
>>>>>>> OpenJDK. We the last OSGeo-Live release, we successfully moved all
>>>>>>> applications on OSGeoLive across to OpenJDK, so we should be in a
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> position to start packaging these java based applications.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other part of the problem, is that java projects usually
>>>>>>> don't have
>>>>>>> much expertise in debian packaging (because they have not been doing
>>>>>>> it), and debian packagers have not had much experience with java
>>>>>>> (again
>>>>>>> because they have not been working with it).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What we really need is someone to work out how to bring these two
>>>>>>> processes (and communities) together by doing to hard work of
>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>> out what is required. Jerome's summer of code project provides an
>>>>>>> excellent opportunity to make a big difference in this regard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I'd like to propose:
>>>>>>> 1. Jerome's primary focus should initially be on working out how to
>>>>>>> package java applications into debian based systems (such as
>>>>>>> UbuntuGIS)
>>>>>>> 2. Start packaging the key java based applications. (I can introduce
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> to key java developers and projects to ask questions of)
>>>>>>> 3. I suspect we should start with the Geotools library first, then
>>>>>>> GeoServer (which is used by a number of other applications), then
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> java based applications (depending on which projects step up to work
>>>>>>> with Jerome)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jerome, Alan,
>>>>>>> How does that sound for an idea?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06/06/13 02:47, Alex Mandel wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 06/05/2013 09:22 AM, Alan Boudreault wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As some of you may already know, we got a OSGeo Google Summer
>>>>>>>>> of Code
>>>>>>>>> slot for UbuntuGIS. I'd like to introduce Jérome Vileneuve
>>>>>>>>> Larouche (a
>>>>>>>>> student at The University of Québec at Chicoutimi) You may already
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> seen his name on the list since he was working part time with
>>>>>>>>> Mapgears
>>>>>>>>> during the last year. As the mentor of the project, I'm going
>>>>>>>>> to work
>>>>>>>>> with Jérome to update and improve UbuntuGIS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The main goals of the project is to:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Train the student to be comfortable with debian/ubuntu
>>>>>>>>> packaging.
>>>>>>>>> - Provide the UbuntuGIS-Stable Upgrade (biannual upgrade)
>>>>>>>>> - Provide packages for Ubuntu Raring.
>>>>>>>>> - Update UbuntuGIS unstable packages with all latest softwares
>>>>>>>>> (Collaborate and contribute to DebianGIS)
>>>>>>>>> - Collaborate with the user on the mailing list to be aware of the
>>>>>>>>> known
>>>>>>>>> issues and  provide new package and/or fixes
>>>>>>>>> - Provide upstream patches to various osgeo projects.
>>>>>>>>> - Create a new repository for debian stable (7.0) with all current
>>>>>>>>> up-to-date packages
>>>>>>>>> - Create more documentation for users and new contributors.
>>>>>>>>> (Howtos,
>>>>>>>>> tutorial)
>>>>>>>>> - Collaborate with the OSGeo LiveDVD project (more packaging for
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> setup?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We would be happy to hear comments/suggestions from the
>>>>>>>>> community to
>>>>>>>>> improve UbuntGIS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Awesome. I look forward to more Howtos to help us train more
>>>>>>>> people to
>>>>>>>> become maintainers of packages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a member of UbuntuGIS, and OSGeo Live I'll be happy to help
>>>>>>>> coordinate between the 2 projects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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