[Live-demo] OSGeo-Live Mission and Future - was BOF

Sun Aug 6 21:23:30 PDT 2017

As allways started experimentig ideas...
plain copy of the file:
https://cvvergara.github.io/osgeonode/index.html
It didn't catch the formats, but at least the data is there:
https://cvvergara.github.io/osgeonode/index.html

On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:

> Vicky
>
> Brian and Cameron are correct to point out duplication. Indeed cameron
> pointed out duplication when information sheets were being produced (sorry
> cameron I under estimated the enthusiastic response, we had planned to only
> print two information sheets!).
>
> Jeffrey Johnson (and Cameron?) have talked about writing down this kind of
> information once and then generate the page for the osgeo website and for
> osgeo live. That is a long term goal (as the osgeo live release schedule
> and the website release schedule did not leave much room for close
> collaboration in these summer months).
>
> The OSGeo website plans to list much more than just osgeo projects - since
> the goal is to "empower everyone with open source geospatial" :) Just like
> osgeo live, the foundation (and thus the website) has a mandate to promote.
>
> You can see one example here: http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/
> geo-node/
>
> There is also a choose-a-project page taking shape that helps guide
> visitors to open source software that meets there needs (irregardless of
> where it was created from). This is important in areas like cloud
> processing where OSGeo projects are not playing yet.
>
>
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 6 August 2017 at 15:44, Vicky Vergara <vicky at georepublic.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi all:
>> Not complaining, but just some thoughts about this:
>>
>> > with the new OSGeo web site development.. somehow I realized that the
>> docs from OSGeo-Live should be the same docs in the new OSGeo web site.
>>
>> By "docs"  you mean the current "overview documentation" or both overview
>> and quickstart documentation?
>> I will suppose both for this points:
>> - I must remind that a lot of projects in "OSGeo Live" are not
>> OSGeo-projects or  OSGeo-community related.
>>   - I don't think OSGeo would have overview and quickstart documentation
>> of projects not OSGeo related
>>   - what about those not on OSGeo
>> - What will happen to projects where the documentation and or wiki is
>> stored actually outside of OSGeo website see:
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo
>> - The task would probably need a script that capture information from the
>> OSGeo official site to put on the OSGeo Live documentation.
>> - Who will be in charge of making sure that the documentation in OSGeo
>> matches/has what OSGeo Live needs on. (aka, all the complains we do about
>> "not following the standards for the overview page or the quick start page)
>> - we also do translations, what about those?, how would be the official
>> site for translating, do the script also captures translated pages from
>> OSGeo site? what if they dont have them yet?.
>> - If sphinx(or any other documentation generator) is still used for OSGeo
>> Live documentation, a script (after capturing) might be needed to convert
>> the OSGeo Page to sphinx(or any other documentation generator) structure?
>>   - who will make such a script?
>>   - who will verify the conversion is correct?
>>   - who will contact projects to change the OSGeo Page that has problems,
>> so that they fix it?
>> - The docs on OSGeo live have version related information.
>>   - After releasing OSGeo disk, the projects might change make new
>> releases, so are updates based on changes on the OSGeo pages going to be
>> reflected automatically to generate a new micro release of the disk because
>> the project documentation changed on the OSGeo website?
>>
>>
>> regards
>> Vicky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Cameron Shorter <
>> cameron.shorter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>> You have eloquently presented the current state of OSGeo-Live and the
>>> foundations for future opportunities and growth.
>>>
>>> I particularly agree with your caution about creating multiple
>>> documentation baselines for OSGeo, (it creates a maintenance challenge) and
>>> the recommendation of retasking the same material in multiple contexts.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Cameron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/8/17 9:34 am, Brian M Hamlin wrote:
>>>
>>>> HI Jody, All -
>>>>
>>>>   In the past with OSGeo-Live, I have described the Mission Statement
>>>> in three parts:
>>>>
>>>> Reference Install ;  Showcase for Projects  ;  well-chosen (curated)
>>>> examples
>>>>
>>>>   WIth the release of Live 11 and the massive advance in Debian
>>>> packaging, I believe the future is not one project. This can be seen as
>>>> "evolution" .. it is natural for a large and mature project to split ..
>>>>   Website ;  Server Edition  ;  Desktop Linux
>>>> -
>>>>    with the new OSGeo web site development.. somehow I realized that the
>>>> docs from OSGeo-Live should be the same docs in the new OSGeo web site.
>>>> Rebuilding docs is too much work, and too many parts, to duplicate. Instead,
>>>> build once and deploy in several contexts. -
>>>>   credit to Angelos Tzotsos and Debian Developer Sebastian Couwenburg
>>>> The "server edition" of OSGeo-Live is simply UbuntuGIS PPA,
>>>> with DebianGIS aka pkg-grass as the "upstream" in many cases.. -
>>>>   that leaves "desktop Linux" Ubuntu.. what remains of the OSGeo-Live.
>>>> Critically speaking, it has been twenty years (or more) that I have been
>>>> active,
>>>> of promises of "desktop Linux" .. in fact, Windows and phones have
>>>> spread,
>>>> with some percentage of Mac OSX from Apple in various demographic
>>>> groups. Web browsing is constant, phone use is constant and climbing, and
>>>> .. no desktop
>>>> revolution with Linux of any kind.  OSGeo-Live right now, is basically
>>>> desktop Linux. -
>>>>  Another note on Ubuntu.. as people likely know, the number one cloud
>>>> VM instance
>>>> is Ubuntu.. and last I heard, Google uses an Ubuntu fork for much
>>>> within its cloud walls. The "server edition" of OSGeo-Live is.. Ubuntu
>>>> packaging.. this bodes well.. -
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in participating in a BOF, but from my point of view, I
>>>> think we should
>>>> consider the OSGeo-Live 11 as somewhat an "end of an era" .. and move
>>>> forward
>>>> with eyes open to new, productive avenues for valuable efforts.
>>>>   best regards from Berkeley, California
>>>>    -Brian M Hamlin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:41:07 -0700, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone up for an OSGeo Live BOF:
>>>> Also I finally uploaded photos with the OSGeo-Live team from foss4ge:
>>>> (example|example|group). Could I ask the team to select one of these
>>>> for a group photo for the new website?
>>>>
>>>> Had a productive meeting with the graphics designer about subbrands on
>>>> wednesday - and had a good ideas for us to try out: rather than reuse the
>>>> circle, reuse the small compass shape. Tried putting the compass shape in a
>>>> computer logo and the result looked like what OSGeo-Live is. Also did one
>>>> putting the heart in a computer frame as a reference.
>>>> --
>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>
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