[mapguide-internals] Participation in FOSS4G WMS Shoot-out

Fri May 21 21:20:34 EDT 2010

Cool!

Sounds like between us we should be able to put in a showing. I don't
think we need a vote for this, but if we do I'll register my +1.

I wonder if we'll be limited by MapGuide's restriction of WMS to
layers (not maps). Will have to take a look at what's required.

Jason

On 2010-05-21, Bruce Dechant <bruce.dechant at autodesk.com> wrote:
> I too will be available to assist with this.
>
> Bruce
>
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> [mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Haris Kurtagic
> [haris at sl-king.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: [mapguide-internals] Participation in FOSS4G WMS Shoot-out
>
> I may put some effort in it too. I will be also in Barcelona if that helps.
>
> Haris
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Jason Birch <jason at jasonbirch.com> wrote:
>
>> Attempted and failed due to lack of resources is better than not even
>> trying IMO.
>>
>> On 2010-05-21, Trevor Wekel <trevor_wekel at otxsystems.com> wrote:
>> > Hey guys,
>> >
>> > There seems to be a lot of PSC interest in the FOSS4G WMS shootout:
>> >
>> > Jason - may be able to free up some time to help
>> > Zac - overallocated at the moment, happy to help a bit
>> > Trevor - also busy at the moment, can help a little
>> >
>> > I think the first step in the shootout would be to setup and run a
>> portion
>> > of last year's shootout against a Linux build of the 2.2 beta on CentOS
>> 5.4
>> > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Benchmarking_2009.  The shootout was run on
>> > CentOS 5.3 last year.  5.4 should be close enough and that's what the
>> beta
>> > is compiled against.  As a starting point just the SHP and TIFF dataset
>> > tests could be run.  This would give us a good indication of where we
>> stand
>> > right now.
>> >
>> > The tests should be run on an older physical machine with 4 cores and
>> > 8GB
>> of
>> > ram.  Running on a virtualized machine may skew the results.  Ideally, a
>> > second machine should be make available as "client" machine.  I think
>> this
>> > machine could be a VM.  The load on the test machine should not be very
>> > high.
>> >
>> > As it turns out, I have enough hardware available to set up the
>> environment
>> > but I do not have time to install mapguide/author the maps/run the
>> > tests.
>> > If someone else, or a collaboration of people, can install/author/run
>> > the
>> > tests, we would be much further along.  Even producing "lacklustre"
>> results
>> > at FOSS4G would show that MapGuide is a serious WMS contender and it
>> would
>> > give us something to improve for the next release.
>> >
>> > A bit of part time work from a few PSC members might be enough to get
>> > the
>> > WMS shootout going.  Does this sound like a reasonable approach?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Trevor
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>> > [mailto:mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jason
>> Birch
>> > Sent: May 20, 2010 8:16 PM
>> > To: MapGuide Internals Mail List
>> > Subject: Re: [mapguide-internals] Participation in FOSS4G WMS Shoot-out
>> >
>> > I think we're going to have to pass this year if a PSC member can't
>> > dedicate the time. This kind of effort is going to require a fair
>> > amount of coordination and feedback, and I have a feeling that much of
>> > the high-performance configuration knowledge for MG is in this thread.
>> > :)
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2010-05-20, Zac Spitzer <zac.spitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I'd love to get invloved with this, but due to it being close to end
>> >> of financial
>> >> year, I'm extremely over allocated at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> Happy to help a bit, but I'm in your boat Jason
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps we should fire a message off over on mg-users and see if
>> >> anyone wants to work help out?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 21 May 2010 09:12, Jason Birch <jason at jasonbirch.com> wrote:
>> >>> I certainly have no objections to participating if there's someone who
>> >>> has time to run with it, but I unfortunately do not (though I would
>> >>> hope to be able to free up time to help).  Zac, if you have time I'd
>> >>> be happy to start a vote to give you official sanction (whatever that
>> >>> means).
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2010-05-19, Daniel Morissette <dmorissette at mapgears.com> wrote:
>> >>>> Thanks for the answer Bruce.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So it seems that there is no technical reason stopping MapGuide from
>> >>>> participating in the WMS Shoot-out. Of course there is the question
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> availability of resources which I fully appreciate since it's an
>> >>>> issue
>> >>>> for all of us.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The benchmarking team is already late on its schedule and needs
>> >>>> formal
>> >>>> answers/commitments from all teams ASAP. Could we get an official
>> answer
>> >>>> from the MapGuide Dev/PSC team? Everybody would love if MapGuide
>> >>>> could
>> >>>> join the fun, but if that's not possible then the benchmarking team
>> >>>> would like to have an official answer that they can refer to when
>> >>>> they
>> >>>> have to explain in front of ~1,000 people why software A, B or C was
>> not
>> >>>> involved.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks, and sorry for being persistent. I promise it's the last time
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> ask.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Daniel
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bruce Dechant wrote:
>> >>>>> MapGuide supports WMS up to and including version 1.1.1
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>> Bruce
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>> >>>>> [mailto:mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
>> >>>>> Daniel
>> >>>>> Morissette
>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:27 AM
>> >>>>> To: mapguide-internals at lists.osgeo.org
>> >>>>> Cc: Jeff McKenna
>> >>>>> Subject: [mapguide-internals] Re: Participation in FOSS4G WMS
>> Shoot-out
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Jason,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> (Sorry for the late reply, I am subscribed to the list only in
>> >>>>> digest
>> >>>>> mode and sometimes may miss some replies. If you CC me then I can
>> reply
>> >>>>> right away.)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> FYI SLD is not a requirement, as long as you configure your server
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> use the specified styles (line width, colors, etc).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Also, the tests use WMS version 1.1.1, and only with very basic
>> GetMap
>> >>>>> calls. Which version of WMS does MapGuide support?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Daniel
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jason Birch wrote:
>> >>>>>> I'd love to see this happen, but I don't think we have the
>> >>>>>> resources
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> dedicate to participating or to fixing any issues that were
>> >>>>>> highlighted,
>> >>>>>> which would be even more important.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I have a feeling that this benchmark would expose considerable
>> >>>>>> weaknesses
>> >>>>>> in
>> >>>>>> MapGuide, some of which we care about (raster stability), others
>> >>>>>> not
>> >>>>>> so
>> >>>>>> much
>> >>>>>> (shapefile performance), and things like our lack of SLD or newer
>> WMS
>> >>>>>> version support may mean that we can't even participate even if we
>> >>>>>> wanted
>> >>>>>> to.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thoughts?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Jason
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Daniel Morissette
>> >>>>> http://www.mapgears.com/
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