[mapguide-users] New Oracle FDO provider

[Paul Ramsey]

I think hardware limitations that approximate a mid-range desktop, as  
opposed to even a medium range server, along with the "locator only"  
restriction constitute "hobbled" pretty fairly.  And to get out of  
the paddock, that next step up the licensing ladder is a doozy...

P

(PS - And check out the on-disk size of Oracle geometries before you  
pronounce that 4GB (four! gigabytes! yah!) of database storage more  
that enough too.  Add the format fluff to the fact that extra space  
is needed to manage transactions and indexes and you'll find that 4GB  
tablespace segment is used up pretty quick and you're reaching for  
the cheque-book before you know it...)


On 8-Sep-06, at 8:57 PM, Andy Morsell wrote:

> I'm with you.  Whether you like Oracle (the commercial software  
> company) or not, their database software is great.  I'm not quite  
> sure how one defines "hobbled" but Oracle XE seems robust enough  
> for most web applications.  The only limitations are 4 GB of total  
> DB information, 1 GB maximum of allocated RAM, and the usage of 1  
> CPU per install.  Of course, the spatial capabilities (as discussed  
> in this mailing list a couple of days ago) are the same as Oracle  
> Locator.  So, in this way, it would be very suitable for most web  
> and lightweight apps, but might be a stretch for enterprise GIS  
> purposes.
>
> Andy Morsell, P.E.
> Spatial Integrators, Inc.
> http://www.SpatialGIS.com
>
>
>
> From: Ross Smith [mailto:r0ss at shaw.ca]
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 8:44 PM
> To: users at mapguide.osgeo.org
> Subject: RE: [mapguide-users] New Oracle FDO provider
>
>
> "Hobbled" - it is a full functioning version of the Oracle DBMS  
> with tons of spatial capabilities (the entire locator engine in  
> fact with a few Oracle spatial gems hidden as well - we have  
> discovered a few that are available).  Also, Oracle is the world's  
> largest database vendor and I read recently (in an IDC report - I  
> think it was) that something like 80-90% of the world's spatial  
> data that are stored in a DBMS are stored in Oracle.
>
> Oracle XE includes the ability to do spatial queries, tons of  
> spatial data manipulation procedures such as simplifying features,  
> manipulating data in just about every possible way, the ability to  
> do coordinate transformations, store and manipulate linear  
> referencing data (does postGIS come with LRS capabilities?) and  
> best of all it is completely scalable into the entire Oracle suite  
> (since it is a version of the Oracle Standard platform - with  
> views, triggers, stored procedures, etc.).  Check it out for  
> yourself (http://www.oracle.com/technology/xe/index.html) - the GUI  
> does not offer the true power - the command line tools are where  
> the power lies.  I am not an Oracle salesman, just someone who  
> wants to build a scalable system that can open the most doors cost  
> effectively.
>
> Do not get me wrong I am a huge open source advocate (particularly  
> MapGuide) but the spatial vendors still do not play well with  
> databases (and each other) and Oracle seems to be the best common  
> denominator - I can use my GeoMedia Pro license to connect to  
> Oracle XE, I would be able to use Autodesk Map ad MapGuide if some  
> one will provide the FDO (free or otherwise), ESRI of course is a  
> lost cause (and out of my equation) because it does not have SDE  
> bolted on top (and the direct connect is a joke) but I am looking  
> for an open system with flexibility in the tools I use.
>
> And to me MapGuide is a phenomenal tool and Oracle XE can allow me  
> the flexibility to store my CAD data or GIS data (using Autodesk  
> Map and MapGuide if a FDO existed) and use my GIS tools such as  
> GeoMedia and possibly even MapInfo.
>
> Just my two cents in four paragraphs...
>
>
>
> From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:pramsey at refractions.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:47 PM
> To: users at mapguide.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [mapguide-users] New Oracle FDO provider
>
> When the PostGIS FDO provider is out, I think you should look at  
> that. Why use a hobbled DB like XE when you can have a real one?
>
> P
>
> On 8-Sep-06, at 6:00 PM, Ross Smith wrote:
>
>> Any thoughts on providing support for Oracle XE? And you mention  
>> on your web site that you may open source the FDO connector. What  
>> would you required from the community to do so?
>>
>> Does anyone else know of any Oracle XE FDOs that exist? I have a  
>> tremendous amount of interest in Oracle XE and MapGuide to build  
>> enterprise GISes.
>>
>>
>> From: Traian Stanev [mailto:traian.stanev at autodesk.com]
>> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 9:17 AM
>> To: users at mapguide.osgeo.org
>> Subject: RE: [mapguide-users] New Oracle FDO provider
>>
>>
>>
>> After a quick try... I got a succesful connection in MG Studio,  
>> but when trying to create a layer, I get no feature classes  
>> listed, so either the tables I have in the Oracle server are all  
>> weird or something else is going on... I'll try to call the  
>> provider directly from a test program to see if I get any data back.
>>
>>
>> Traian
>>
>>
>> From: Haris Kurtagic [mailto:haris at sl-king.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:59 PM
>> To: users at mapguide.osgeo.org
>> Subject: [mapguide-users] New Oracle FDO provider
>>
>> Hi ,
>>
>> I am working on new FDO provider for Oracle.
>>
>> You can read more about it and download it here: www.sl-king.com/ 
>> fdooracle
>>
>>
>> It is not open source project yet, but it is free to use.
>>
>>
>> I would appreciate if you try it and if you give me some feedback.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Haris Kurtagic
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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