[mapguide-users] POOL:DWF or AJAX

Thu Sep 14 13:57:13 EDT 2006

I've said this before, but I've got to say it again.....I wish that 
either release dates were posted on the website, or else (ideally) 
nightly / weekly builds could be made available.....

Andrew

Ivan Miličević wrote:
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> Any release date?
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> *From:* Andrew DeMerchant [mailto:andrew.demerchant at gemtec.ca]
> *Sent:* 14. rujan 2006 18:10
> *To:* users at mapguide.osgeo.org
> *Subject:* Re: [mapguide-users] POOL:DWF or AJAX
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> Let's keep our fingers crossed!
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> Andrew
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> Jason Birch wrote:
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> I haven't tested yet, but the MapGuide and FDO development projects 
> have been working on this pretty actively, setting up pooled FDO 
> connections and enhancing the ODBC provider.
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> I'll be interested to see whether the changes made for the 
> 1.0.2 release (which I'm guessing is the same as Enterprise 
> SP1) resolves these issues as well as the Oracle performance problems.
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> Jason
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> *From:* Andrew DeMerchant [mailto:andrew.demerchant at gemtec.ca]
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 14, 2006 06:10
> *To:* users at mapguide.osgeo.org <mailto:users at mapguide.osgeo.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [mapguide-users] POOL:DWF or AJAX
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> I can certainly vouch for that....for me, ODBC is pretty much useless 
> in AJAX because of the horrible speed. I had a few hundred 
> points.....it's still slow in DWF if you do things like filters and/or 
> themed layers., but it's at least useable.
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> As for the OnSelect question, I have no idea. I'm not doing anything 
> like that....though, I may at some point, I have no need just yet.
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> Andrew
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> Ivan Miličević wrote:
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> I figured out that ODBC connection drasticly slow performance. In dwf that
> difference is not so big.  I've tested on 50 points. Measured by feeling ;-)
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> I've restart OS every time after test so "feeling" is relevant.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Traian Stanev [mailto:traian.stanev at autodesk.com] 
> Sent: 14. rujan 2006 14:46
> To: users at mapguide.osgeo.org <mailto:users at mapguide.osgeo.org>
> Subject: RE: [mapguide-users] POOL:DWF or AJAX
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> As far as the "everything is selectable" argument, you need to take into
> account the fact that if everything is selectable, it means ALL properties
> for all features need to be included with the DWF that gets sent to the
> client. They are all saved out in an XML file that is attached inside the
> DWF package. So depending on how many features you have and the ratio of
> viewing operations to selection operations the client is performing, the
> bandwidth wasted by that DWF could be larger than sending over a simple PNG
> and then processing a few mouse clicks on the server. So it's a double-edged
> sword.
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> Traian
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Carranza [mailto:jec at gatekeeper.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:05 AM
> To: users at mapguide.osgeo.org <mailto:users at mapguide.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [mapguide-users] POOL:DWF or AJAX
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> AJAX viewer "bugless" ? That is a pretty bold claim :)
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> While the "thinness" of the AJAX viewer certainly is appealing, I still get
> a little uncomfortable everytime I think about the additional burden it puts
> on the server in order to support selection and tooltips. We currently
> author maps where almost everything is selectable, almost every feature has
> a lengthy tooltip. In such an environment where users are doing alot of
> object selection and tooltips, I just don't think the AJAX viewer will be
> performant enough to satisfy our users moving from 6.5. I suspect alot of
> people don't have this problem, but i'm just throwing my 2 cents in. 
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> I'm a big fan of vector output, for a couple reasons:
> a) potentially more compact in terms of map request download
> b) ideal for "disconnected" applications (where network connectivity is not
> always available)
> c) absolutely necessary for printing
> d) easier to port existing MapGuide 6.5 applications
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> I would love to see vector output in a different format. The DWF viewer is a
> major improvement over the MapGuide 6.5 viewer from our perspective because
> its so much easier for us to customize for our own purposes. However,
> deploying an ActiveX control is a big problem for alot of people. A java
> viewer leveraging an open vector format would be way cool. I don't see any
> reason why vector output should look worse than the raster output, although
> I agree it does. (Why doesn't the DWF viewer do anti-aliasing?)
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> Something else that would be way cool that neither viewer has: Selected
> objects being drawn in something other than solid blue....
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> Joel Carranza
> Gatekeeper Systems
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> Ivan Miličević wrote:
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>> Wich one you prefer?
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>> For me, AJAX is better one.
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>> Ajax:
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>> -not needed plugin
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>> -working with lot's of browsers
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>> -visually looks better
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>> -buugless
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>> -more stable
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>> DWF:
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>> -faster
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>> -better zooming, paning
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>> Let's exchange expirience :-)
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>> Ivan Miličević, voditelj razvoja
>> iNEO d.o.o. 
>> 091 502 9672
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