[mapserver-dev] MapServer Samples (was GeoServer superseeding MapServer in Europe)

Lime, Steve D (DNR) Steve.Lime at state.mn.us
Wed Jul 21 20:33:35 EDT 2010

Had a chance to look at things? I think we should stick to the basics from a UI standpoint and let the GeoExt. GeoMoose, MapFish, etc... folks teach their users. I don't think we can keep up with changes on their end. It will be hard enough on just the MapServer side. I do think OpenLayers is a great vehicle for some samples though.

From: mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jan Hartmann [j.l.h.hartmann at uva.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:39 AM
To: Lime, Steve D (DNR)
Cc: mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org; Mark Volz
Subject: Re: [mapserver-dev] MapServer Samples (was GeoServer superseeding      MapServer in Europe)

Thanks Steve, I'll take a good look at it. I saw that the examples are still about good old Itasca (http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/browser/trunk/mapserver_demos/samples).

Perhaps something could be learned from Regina Obe's and Leo Hsue's new book about PostGIS (http://www.postgis.us/chapters). They use OpenLayers and GeoExt as  user interface, and  I wonder wether the MapServer training set: could be completely built around these programs. I always found the "classic" zoom and pan interface the hardest thing to teach a beginner.


On 07/12/10 18:45, Lime, Steve D (DNR) wrote:
Hi Jan: Here a “samples” table of contents I had drafted eighteen months ago. The idea was to create small samples
and reference them directly or via OpenLayers if appropriate. Each sample would be tagged with keywords to
facilitate searches…


From: Jan Hartmann [mailto:j.l.h.hartmann at uva.nl]
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:39 AM
To: Lime, Steve D (DNR)
Cc: Mark Volz; mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [mapserver-dev] RE: Re: GeoServer superseeding MapServer in Europe?

I'm sure a wel-designed learning set based on OpenLayers would be an excellent learning tool for MapServer. The client interactive side has always been a major hurdle for new people, even with something as seemingly simple as zooming. If someone would set up and coordinate a set of targets and outlines, I would be happy to work out a few subjects.


On 07/09/10 00:46, Lime, Steve D (DNR) wrote:
Thanks for the feedback Mark. Our website has been in transition for awhile and I think we’ve finally settled on a maintenance
approach that will last. Perhaps now we can look at the very changes you suggest. I’ve started an examples section patterned
after the OpenLayers approach but it has languished…

I’m not as enamored with a user gallery though. We had one earlier and was impossible to maintain. Personally I favor learning
by example.


From: mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> [mailto:mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mark Volz
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Subject: [mapserver-dev] Re: GeoServer superseeding MapServer in Europe?


As a comparatively new user to Mapserver I just thought I would put in my two cents.

I think the main reasons why one would chose one product over another is due to performance, features, and ease of use.   For most applications the performance between Mapserver and GeoServer appears comparable.   Second, GeoServer has some interesting features, however both Mapserver and Geoserver has a decent feature set.  This leaves us at ease of use…

When I first tried out Mapserver a few years ago I searched for documentation for installing Mapserver, which lead me to “compiling on Win32.”  Needless to say I quickly became frustrated and lost trying to find all the correct dependencies on different websites.  I soon decided that it was simply too much work bother with and gave up.  Later on I had found the MS4W project, which to any new user is very easy to use as they only have to click apache-start.bat to get mapserver up and running.

Next, I think any new user is interested in finding an all inclusive application that helps them build a mapping site, that way users can take the example application and plug in their own data.  Mapserver has excellent documentation and examples for the Mapfile itself, however besides the one simple map on the main page there are no examples of applications.  I think the MS4W website does a better job at distributing applications such as GeoMoose, and PMapper that people can download, plug in their own data and then publish the site to the web.  Perhaps people might be more intrested in using mapserver if there was a “Gallary” that allowed new potential users the ability to see what Mapserver can really do.

To summarize here are some things that I think would attract new users:

-Make the link to MS4W or FGS more prevalent.

-Add a Gallery that links to “Easy to set up applications” such as GeoMoose, PMapper.

-If possible include some of the dependencies for compiling mapserver on the website so people do not need to sift around several websites.

Mark Volz

GIS Specialist

Lyon County, MN

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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:58:16 -0400

From: Daniel Morissette <dmorissette at mapgears.com><mailto:dmorissette at mapgears.com>

Subject: [mapserver-dev] GeoServer superseeding MapServer in Europe?

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Hi Bart,

I saw that you tweeted the following this morning:

"bartvdeijnden: #Geoserver is superseding #Mapserver at least here in Europe and I am starting to switch mentally as well (as an early adopter of Mapserver)"

Would you care to please elaborate on the reasons you see for this, and perhaps guide us on what we can do to help this situation?

I can't imagine that the slower pace of new developments and releases of the last year or two is the only reason for that (or is it?). Your feedback and thoughts would be much welcome.



Daniel Morissette



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