[mapserver-dev] Fwd: Re: [OSGeo-Standards] OGC Certification of OSGeo Projects [was Re: Follow up from OSGeo board meeting] [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Even Rouault even.rouault at mines-paris.org
Fri Nov 1 09:34:03 PDT 2013 

This might be of interest for the MapServer project.

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Sujet : Re: [OSGeo-Standards] OGC Certification of OSGeo Projects [was Re: 
Follow up from OSGeo board meeting] [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Date : vendredi 01 novembre 2013, 17:17:49
De : Luis Bermudez <lbermudez at opengeospatial.org>
À : Bruce Bannerman <B.Bannerman at bom.gov.au>
CC : Mark Reichardt <mreichardt at opengeospatial.org>, 
"standards at lists.osgeo.org" <standards at lists.osgeo.org>

Hi Bruce

> It is in OGC's interests to have a range of open source implementations that 
are certified to act as reference implementations and to guide others on what 
is possible.

Fully Agree. This is very important for OGC standards and in particular to the 
OGC Compliance Program. More applications we have passing the tests makes our 
standards stronger.

Both the CITE P&P [1] and the MoU with OSGeo [2] provide incentives for 
reference implementations.
Let me know which tests and which applications to start the process to get 
them certified.

[1] http://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/49237
[2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/MoU_OGC


- Luis

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The OGC: Making Location Count

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On Oct 30, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Bruce Bannerman <B.Bannerman at bom.gov.au> wrote:

> Mark, Luis,
> 
> Please see my question to Carl below.
> 
> As per below, is there anything that OGC can do to assist OSGeo Projects 
with the certification process?
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 
> From: Carl Reed <creed at opengeospatial.org>
> Organization: OGC
> Date: Thursday, 31 October 2013 9:26 AM
> To: Bruce Bannerman <B.Bannerman at bom.gov.au>
> Cc: "standards at lists.osgeo.org" <standards at lists.osgeo.org>, George 
Percivall <gpercivall at opengeospatial.org>
> Subject: Re: OGC Certification of OSGeo Projects [was Re: [OSGeo-Standards] 
Follow up from OSGeo board meeting] [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
> 
> Bruce -
>  
> Thanks for the email. I know that the CITE fee structure is being discussed. 
However, I do not know the details as I am not part of that discussion. Luis 
Bermudez and Mark Reichardt can provide more up to date information on CITE 
fees. Sorry that I cannot be more helpful.
>  
> Cheers
> 
> Carl
>  
>  
> From: Bruce Bannerman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:09 PM
> To: Carl Reed
> Cc: standards at lists.osgeo.org ; George Percivall
> Subject: OGC Certification of OSGeo Projects [was Re: [OSGeo-Standards] 
Follow up from OSGeo board meeting] [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>  
> Carl,
>  
> Wearing both my OSGeo and OGC TC hats, is there anything that OGC can do to 
assist open source projects get certified, e.g. waive certification fees?
>  
> Most projects do not have much in the way of funds behind them. They mainly 
have just volunteer time and effort.
>  
> It is in OGC's interests to have a range of open source implementations that 
are certified to act as reference implementations and to guide others on what 
is possible.
>  
> As an OGC implementing organisation that utilises open source software, we'd 
like to see the projects that we use certified, however we are not in a 
position to fund the certification process for them.
>  
> Bruce
>  
>  
>  
> From: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 30 October 2013 10:50 PM
> To: Even Rouault <even.rouault at mines-paris.org>
> Cc: "standards at lists.osgeo.org" <standards at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Standards] Follow up from OSGeo board meeting
>  
>  
>> Regarding certification, I went to read a bit on OGC site and found that :
>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/compliance#trademark
>> 
>> So the fee is not a one time thing, but a yearly one, and depends on the
>> "organization" revenue. This makes me wonder on how it could translate for 
our
>> community projects, let's take MapServer as an example. What is the
>> organization behind MapServer : OSGeo, any company offering services around
>> MapServer... ?
>  
>  
>> OGC licencing fee scheme seems to be designed for companies that have a
>> distribution monopoly on the product being certified.
>> If certification fees would be waived for the OSGeo project iself, what 
would
>> it mean for companies offering services around it : could they reuse the
>> sticker on their web site, or should they pay the fee ?
>  
> Just so, so we should probably take down our GeoServer sticker - since it 
does not represent testing of the bundle we currently distribute.
>  
> As for your actual question - you may have to consider the difference between 
project and product.
>  
> The GeoServer community offers a download (i.e. a product) which could be 
certified by OSGeo (perhaps at a reduced rate depending on how well the board 
negotiates).
>  
> The same component is actually included in several other products:
> - Boundless OpenGeo Suite
> - GeoSolutions GeoServer Enterprise
> - OSGeo GeoNetwork Open Source
>  
> As long as it is not the community doing the packaging, the above products 
would not get the sticker. If they are using the component as published by the 
community (say out of a maven repository) a downstream project (i.e. 
GeoNetwork) or distribution (OSGeo Live) should be able to indicate an 
GeoServer as an OGC certified component (i.e. it has passed testing).
>  
> Still we are down in the weeds here - the goal is to provide a motivation 
for projects to join OSGeo, being in position to have their releases certified 
would be a good win. Even just being  able to mark projects that have done 
some testing is a decent win. Can you think of any others?
>  
>> > 2) Recognise testing beyond that the OGC is in position to offer, for
>> > example Client certification is not available.
>> >
>> > This testing can probably only be offered against OSGeo projects such as
>> > GeoServer and MapServer, and can be used to promote that "cross project
>> > interoperability" we are supposed to be focusing on.
>> 
>> Client certification is indeed a difficult topic. You can have a WFS client 
that
>> works fine when being used with a WFS server that delivers simple features
>> ("flat" organization of attributes), but that won't be able to understand
>> complex features ( e.g. Inspire schemas ). This is not just a theoretical
>> example ;-)
>  
> Hence the sticker indicating what the client was tested with. I am not aware 
of any general purpose open source clients for complex features, simply nobody 
has been willing to pay for them :D
>  
> Jody
>  

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