AW: AW: AW: [Mapserver-inspire] MapServer and INSPIRE

Stephan Meißl stephan at meissl.name
Thu Jan 5 09:34:33 EST 2012 

Hi Martin,

see comments below.




On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 14:49 +0100, Martin Kofahl wrote: 
> Hi Stephan,
> 
> handling of wms_layer_group looks ok. I did test GetMap and GetFeatureInfo. Now it's much easier to configure full featured groups. However, I did not alter the inspirevs_test service, because it looks as inspire view service may not have named groups. I did post a question on the inspire forum. See http://inspire-forum.jrc.ec.europa.eu/mod/groups/topicposts.php?topic=79913&group_guid=5205#34121. 
> 
great, it will be good to now the official answer for your post.

> One thing I miss regarding wms_layer_group is the possibility to configures an unnamed group, thus for structuring the capabilities only.
> 
All names that appear in wms_layer_group but don't have a layer with the
same name are treated as unnamed groups. 

> Regarding open ToDos, here are my favorites:
> 
> - I see GetLegendGraphic requests still not working: http://www.geodaten-mv.de/dienste/inspirevs_test?language=ger&version=1.3.0&service=WMS&request=GetLegendGraphic&sld_version=1.1.0&layer=TN.RailTransportNetwork.RailwayArea&format=image/png&STYLE=inspire_common:DEFAULT
> 
Strange, GetLegendGraphic requests are working nicely in the test
mapfile I generated from your one. 

> - The testsuite I use expects Content-Type application/vnd.ogc.gml instead of text/xml for GML-GetFeatureInfo responses. This has to be verified.
> 
I agree.

> - AuthorityURL and Identifier may be quired at rootlayer, too
> 
You mean at service level and root layer?

> - Map -> Web -> wms_metadataurl should be renamed to wms_inspiremetadaurl and Map -> Web -> wms_metadataurl should be available for the root layer.
> 
Do you need the metadataurl only for the root layer?

> - Handling of keywords should be revised. Instead of wms_inspire_keyword we should talk about wms_keywordvocabulary "ISO" and so parse wms_keywordlist and wms_keywordlist_ISO.
> 
I agree, keywork handling needs some attention. If you have a good
proposal I'd be happy to integrate it :)

> - Style Title should be multilingual, too.
> 
OK, that shouldn't be too difficult. 
> 
> 
> I can start with the AuthorityURL and MetadataUrl topics. Someone who can investigate into the GetLegendGraphic problem?

Great, many thanks! As said GetLegendGraphic requests are working for
me, so need to reproduce your problem first. Any ideas?

cu
Stephan

> 
> Best regards,
> Martin
> 
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:02:16 +0100
> > Von: "Stephan Meißl" <stephan at meissl.name>
> > An: "Nash, Edward" <E.Nash at dvz-mv.de>
> > CC: "mapserver-inspire at lists.osgeo.org" <mapserver-inspire at lists.osgeo.org>
> > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: [Mapserver-inspire] MapServer and INSPIRE
> 
> > Hi Edward,
> > 
> > finally I found some time to look into the test data and mapfile - this
> > is really great, thanks a lot!
> > 
> > I've added the test data and your mapfile adjusted to the current
> > sandbox [1].
> > 
> > Note that I've been working in the sandbox and implemented support for
> > named group layers via "wms_layer_group" (see separate mail to the
> > list). Could you maybe have a look at this implementation and see which
> > of your ToDos still persist? I'd appreciate if we could share some tasks
> > based on this ToDos. Thanks for your offer!
> > 
> > cu
> > Stephan
> > 
> > [1] http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/changeset/12942
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 2011-12-09 at 21:26 +0100, Nash, Edward wrote:
> > > Hi Stephan & INSPIRE-listers,
> > > 
> > > my colleagues have been busy and have produced some test data which
> > conform to the INSPIRE data specs for transport networks, slightly denormalised
> > to get a sane table/file structure, and an accompanying (heavily
> > commented) Mapfile for use with the current INSPIRE sandbox version. Furthermore we
> > have put up a public demo view service based on this which we will endeavor
> > to keep updated as the sandbox version is changed.
> > > 
> > > The ZIP archive of the data (Shapefiles, we thought these would be best
> > for including in msautotest) is attached to ticket #3608, where the demo
> > service and the Mapfile are also linked (see
> > http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/ticket/3608#comment:17 from mko).
> > > 
> > > For the impatient, here are the direct links:
> > > Demo view service: http://www.geodaten-mv.de/dienste/inspirevs_test
> > > Mapfile for demo: http://www.geodaten-mv.de/dienste/inspirevs_test.map
> > > Demo dataset:
> > http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/raw-attachment/ticket/3608/inspirevs_tn.zip
> > > 
> > > The demo VS has been tested using two publicly available test suites;
> > the results are documented in the header comments in the Mapfile, along with
> > some TODOs. The most important of these to our mind are:
> > > - the root layer and grouped layers should automatically be of type
> > UNION, in order to better supply the required metadata.
> > > - UNION layers should support multiple geometries in order to reduce the
> > various GROUP/wms_layer_group configurations.
> > > - MetadataURL and inspire_common:MetadataURL should be two different
> > things, set separately (affects root layer / service metadata).
> > > - Similarly, keyword_iso doesn't replace keywordlist.
> > > - LegendURL and Identifier/AuthorityUrl for the root layer don't work.
> > > 
> > > There are also issues with the inheritance of attributes through the
> > layer hierarchy, but these can probably be ignored as they are "features
> > rather than bugs".
> > > 
> > > Let me know if this small set of test data is sufficient for the needs
> > msautotest, or any other feedback on our results.
> > > Regarding the further work required, much of it is in any case fairly
> > straightforward and we currently have capacity to work some of these things
> > ourselves - but naturally don't want to duplicate effort if you or someone
> > else is already working on the same tasks. Maybe we can split the tasks up
> > into packages (e.g. metadata, layer structure, etc.) and we'll take on a
> > package to keep things moving along?
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Edward
> > > 
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Stephan Meißl [mailto:stephan at meissl.name] 
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. November 2011 15:26
> > > An: Nash, Edward
> > > Cc: mapserver-inspire at lists.osgeo.org
> > > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Mapserver-inspire] MapServer and INSPIRE
> > > 
> > > Edward,
> > > 
> > > thanks again for your answer and offer. If you could provide some test
> > > data in the INSPIRE structure that would be great. We would include this
> > > data in msautotest for some INSPIRE tests where you could verify the
> > > results in turn.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Stephan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 11:57 +0100, Nash, Edward wrote: 
> > > > Hi Stephan,
> > > > 
> > > > now it's my turn to be tardy - apologies.
> > > > 
> > > > Unfortunately neither we nor our customers have any real world data
> > which we can offer - however we could generate some data in the INSPIRE
> > structures (e.g. transport networks) if this would be a viable alternative.
> > > > 
> > > > We would be happy to look at checking the keys or the layers: we are
> > familiar with the codebase and the specifications, and we don't expect any
> > major surprises there. As previously written we could donate some time for
> > this.
> > > > 
> > > > Let me know if you want to take up any of these offers: I will get
> > back to you sooner this time.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Edward
> > > > 
> > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > Von: Stephan Meißl [mailto:stephan at meissl.name] 
> > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Oktober 2011 17:07
> > > > An: Nash, Edward
> > > > Cc: mapserver-inspire at lists.osgeo.org
> > > > Betreff: Re: AW: [Mapserver-inspire] MapServer and INSPIRE
> > > > 
> > > > Edward,
> > > > 
> > > > sorry for my quite late response, I promise to be more responsive now
> > > > that this deadline I was working on is over.
> > > > 
> > > > The main points are to check the usage of metadata keys (syntax for
> > > > keys, reporting of missing keys, etc.) and the arbitrary grouping of
> > > > layers to any depth.
> > > > 
> > > > One point where we definitely would need some help is in testing and
> > > > test data. During the summer of code project we asked for some real
> > > > world demo datasets for the msautotest test suite but so far we don't
> > > > have any. Could you maybe help out here?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Stephan
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, 2011-09-29 at 10:57 +0200, Nash, Edward wrote: 
> > > > > Hi Stephan,
> > > > > 
> > > > > have you got some documentation of exactly what the adjustments are
> > which have been identified?
> > > > > 
> > > > > We can't help with funding, but we could put some developer time
> > into this to get it moving forward - others may be in a similar position. We'd
> > rather put our time into something which is going in the "right" direction
> > though, rather than just producing patches which are good enough to do a
> > job for us but otherwise disappear into trac never to make it to trunk.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Edward
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > > Von: mapserver-inspire-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
> > [mailto:mapserver-inspire-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] Im Auftrag von Stephan Meißl
> > > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. September 2011 14:49
> > > > > An: Martin Kofahl
> > > > > Cc: mapserver-inspire at lists.osgeo.org
> > > > > Betreff: Re: [Mapserver-inspire] MapServer and INSPIRE
> > > > > 
> > > > > All,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Stefan did a great job in the summer-of-code project. However, the
> > code
> > > > > needs some polishing here and there e.g. at the code sprint in
> > Denver we
> > > > > discussed some adjustments that are needed.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The major remaining part for full INSPIRE compatibility, as far as I
> > > > > understand, is the support for arbitrary grouping of layers to any
> > > > > depth. I need to take a closer look at ticket #1632 to seriously
> > > > > calculate the remaining work.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anyway, we'd definitely be willing to look into this but some
> > funding
> > > > > would be very much appreciated :).
> > > > > 
> > > > > cu
> > > > > Stephan
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 13:59 +0200, Martin Kofahl wrote: 
> > > > > > Thomas,
> > > > > > can you give an outline about remaining work? I see union layers
> > finished, concept for multilingualism existing, ...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > Martin
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > > > > > Datum: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:38:33 +0200
> > > > > > > Von: thomas bonfort <thomas.bonfort at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > An: "Passmore, James H." <jpass at bgs.ac.uk>
> > > > > > > CC: "mapserver-inspire at lists.osgeo.org"
> > <mapserver-inspire at lists.osgeo.org>
> > > > > > > Betreff: Re: [Mapserver-inspire] MapServer and INSPIRE
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > James,
> > > > > > > trunk will be entering release-mode at the beginning of 2012, so
> > the
> > > > > > > actual release would probably be around end of february.
> > > > > > > Speaking of inspire specifically, at the code sprint in Denver
> > we came
> > > > > > > to the conclusion that we are in a rather desperate need of
> > funding to
> > > > > > > finish off the work that was started during the summer-of-code
> > program
> > > > > > > so that the inspire features can be cleanly integrated for the
> > next
> > > > > > > release. If you or any other organization following this list is
> > in a
> > > > > > > position to help with funding, please do speak up on this list
> > so we
> > > > > > > can get this rolling. I would also imagine that an earlier
> > release
> > > > > > > containing only the inspire improvements could be a possibility.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > best regards,
> > > > > > > thomas
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 17:27, Passmore, James H.
> > <jpass at bgs.ac.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure if I ever believe the MapServer roadmap (or maybe
> > I just
> > > > > > > don't understand what it's telling me).  Can anyone provide a
> > heads up as
> > > > > > > when MapServer 6.2 might be released?  And importantly will it
> > be the first
> > > > > > > WMS server software to support INSPIRE multi-lingual services?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > thanks
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > James
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: mapserver-inspire-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
> > > > > > > [mailto:mapserver-inspire-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
> > Daniel Morissette
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 3:59 AM
> > > > > > > > To: mapserver-inspire at lists.osgeo.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mapserver-inspire] MapServer and INSPIRE
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 11-04-16 03:08 PM, Martin Kofahl wrote:
> > > > > > > >> Thanks to James, I could easily extend the GetCapabilities
> > output for
> > > > > > > scenario 1 and focused on multi-language support for now. We
> > could take
> > > > > > > advantage of MapServer variable substitution from url.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Please take a look at
> > > > > > > http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/ticket/3608#comment:11
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I see that you raised priority on the ticket, possibly in the
> > hope that
> > > > > > > > we can fit this in 6.0? This caught the attention of the
> > release
> > > > > > > > manager. ;-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately I think it's too late to put this in 6.0 and
> > this should
> > > > > > > > be pushed to 6.2. Note that there are talks of doing a 6.2 in
> > the summer
> > > > > > > > (definitely before FOSS4G) so the delay would not be too long.
> > In the
> > > > > > > > meantime users who require this level of INSPIRE support could
> > apply the
> > > > > > > > patch locally, but there are a few reasons why I think we
> > should wait
> > > > > > > > until 6.2 for the official release of this code:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1- We are way past the 6.0 feature freeze and this is clearly
> > a new
> > > > > > > > feature and not a bug fix
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2- Unless I'm mistaken, this patch addresses only a subset of
> > the
> > > > > > > > INSPIRE requirements and may not be compatible with a more
> > complete
> > > > > > > > solution that would come in 6.2 to more widely address INSPIRE
> > > > > > > > requirements (what this mapserver-inspire group needs to work
> > on)...
> > > > > > > > what I mean is that once something like this is released, it
> > will be
> > > > > > > > nearly impossible to take it out, so I'd rather wait until we
> > have a
> > > > > > > > solid solution instead of putting something in that we may
> > have to take
> > > > > > > > back out later.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do others think?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Daniel Morissette
> > > > > > > > http://www.mapgears.com/
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