[Mapserver-users] Mapserver WMS as server to ArcIMS service

Armin Burger ar.bu at web.de
Mon Jun 16 10:14:32 EDT 2003 

Paul, 

ArcMapServer can include other ArcIMS Image services as layers, so this is some kind of cascading. The speed is acceptable if you are not including too many ArcIMS services as layers.  When I remember well also functions like identify did work correctly for the cascaded IMS layers.

Armin

Paul Ramsey <pramsey at refractions.net> wrote on 13.06.03 16:50:03:
> 
> Noone answered my question though :)
> Isn't there an ESRI-only cascade facility built into recent versions of  
> ArcIMS which allows ArcIMS to cascade against ArcMap servers? If so,  
> then there is a chink in the wall through which we can stuff real  
> cascading :)
> Paul
> 
> On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 07:04 AM, Ed McNierney wrote:
> 
> > No, the only thing the Geography Network does for WMS servers is permit
> > them to advertise that they exist.  No interoperability with ArcIMS
> > servers is provided through the Geography Network.
> >
> > 	- Ed
> >
> > Ed McNierney
> > President and Chief Mapmaker
> > TopoZone.com / Maps a la carte, Inc.
> > 73 Princeton Street, Suite 305
> > North Chelmsford, MA  01863
> > Phone: (978) 251-4242  Fax: (978) 251-1396
> > ed at topozone.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Simpson, Andrew [mailto:Andrew.Simpson at ssc.nasa.gov]
> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:55 AM
> > To: mapserver-users at lists.gis.umn.edu
> > Subject: RE: [Mapserver-users] Mapserver WMS as server to ArcIMS  
> > service
> >
> >
> > That was the same conclusion we came to; hard to believe there is not a
> > mechanism to grab data from a WMS in an ArcIMS service.  Isn't the
> > geography network WMS?  I don't think it even supports cascading
> > ArcIMS servers.
> >
> > Thanks very much for the responses,
> > Drew.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jean-Francois.Doyon at CCRS.NRCan.gc.ca
> > [mailto:Jean-Francois.Doyon at CCRS.NRCan.gc.ca]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:10 PM
> > To: pramsey at refractions.net; ed at topozone.com
> > Cc: Andrew.Simpson at ssc.nasa.gov; mapserver-users at lists.gis.umn.edu
> > Subject: RE: [Mapserver-users] Mapserver WMS as server to ArcIMS  
> > service
> >
> >
> > Yup, last I checked that was my understanding as well ... ArcIMS can
> > only
> > SERVE WMS layers, but cannot ingest them, and therefore cannot cascade
> > WMS
> > ones.
> >
> > I've successfully used the IMS emulator to connect my ArcMap/ArcCatalog
> > to a
> > MapServer service. If, however you mean you want a given ArcIMS server
> > to
> > cascade layers provided by the IMS emulator (Thinking it's another
> > ArcIMS
> > server), I think that's untested so far.  I would suspect the emulator
> > is
> > not evolved or complete enough to support that functionality.  If you
> > really
> > want to you could try to track the requests your IMS emulator gets from
> > your
> > partner's ArcIMS, read the XML (AXL), and try to figure out where it's
> > not
> > working.  The IMS emulator is Perl, so it's not completely mind-bending
> > ...
> > You should be able to make sense of it all, maybe even make the
> > necessary
> > improvements if it's worth it to you (And feed them back to Refractions
> > :)
> >
> > My .02$ ... Hope this helps!
> >
> > J.F.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:pramsey at refractions.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:36 PM
> > To: Ed McNierney
> > Cc: Simpson, Andrew; mapserver-users at lists.gis.umn.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Mapserver-users] Mapserver WMS as server to ArcIMS  
> > service
> >
> >
> > Is this correct? I was of the understanding that the ArcIMS WMS
> > connector exposes the ArcIMS data as a WMS server. So if you have set  
> > up
> >
> > the WMS connector on ArcIMS you can use a WMS client to view the ArcIMS
> > data. In fact, I have seen it in action in the government here, and  
> > have
> >
> > cascaded a mapserver service onto an ArcIMS server which used the WMS
> > connector.
> >
> > It is the opposite direction, the ArcIMS server *pulling* data from a
> > WMS server, which I whink it impossible... yes?
> >
> > P.
> >
> > Ed McNierney wrote:
> >> Drew -
> >>
> >> The ArcIMS "OGC Connector" allows an ArcIMS server to connect to WMS
> >> layers served by OGC-compliant servers.  It's a one-way pipe (we call
> > it
> >> the "OGC Diode") because it does NOT permit WMS clients to read data
> >> from ArcIMS servers.  But it sounds like this is something your ArcIMS
> >
> >> partners should already be able to do.
> >>
> >>     - Ed
> >>
> >> Ed McNierney
> >> President and Chief Mapmaker
> >> TopoZone.com / Maps a la carte, Inc.
> >> 73 Princeton Street, Suite 305
> >> North Chelmsford, MA  01863
> >> ed at topozone.com
> >> (978) 251-4242
> >>
> >>     -----Original Message-----
> >>     *From:* Simpson, Andrew [mailto:Andrew.Simpson at ssc.nasa.gov]
> >>     *Sent:* Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:18 PM
> >>     *To:* 'mapserver-users at lists.gis.umn.edu'
> >>     *Subject:* [Mapserver-users] Mapserver WMS as server to ArcIMS
> > service
> >>
> >>     Good Afternoon,
> >>
> >>     Has anyone had any success using Mapserver WMS as a source for an
> >>     ArcIMS service?  Would like to share some raster data with an
> >>     offsite group that only speaks ArcIMS.
> >>
> >>     Used the IMS Emulator to connect with ArcMap and ArcCatalog
> >>
> > (http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/data2/wilma/mapserver-users/0110/ 
> > msg00298.
> > html
> > ),
> >>     which worked very well.
> >>
> >>     Sorry for the slightly off topic question.
> >>
> >>     Thanks for any info,
> >>
> >>     Drew.
> >
> >
> > -- 
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> >       | Refractions Research
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