[MetaCRS] "FOSS Maintained" Source of CRS Definitions

[Landon Blake]

Mike,

I just used this website for the first time on Monday. I really liked
it.

Your idea about contacting the maintainers of the site is an interesting
one. One question I had when I was browsing the site was how they
controlled user submission of CRS definitions. I saw a lot of these
definitions with the name "test". :]

I hope this discussion about a consolidated source of CRS definitions
maintained by FOSS enthusiasts will continue, and I think the idea of
teaming with the spatialreference.org site is a good one.

Landon

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Adair [mailto:madair at dmsolutions.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:02 AM
To: Mateusz Loskot
Cc: Landon Blake; metacrs at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [MetaCRS] "FOSS Maintained" Source of CRS Definitions

I'm thinking we should approach Chris Schmidt/Howard Butler about their 
http://spatialreference.org site for this.  This provides a RESTful 
service for looking up the definitions, returns the definitions in 
various formats, includes the EPSG database and allows for user-uploaded

definitions too.  Proj4js uses this service for run-time lookup of the 
definitions.

I know that OSGeo is not about running operational services like this, 
we could ensure continued operation of that service.

Mike

Mateusz Loskot wrote:
> Landon,
>
> I'm just an observer and CRS cadet who want to learn more about the
> subject here, but I'd have a few, rather obvious comments.
>
> Landon Blake wrote:
>> I was wondering if there had ever been any effort to consolidate
these
>> different sources of definitions into a single data product
maintained
>> by an "open source" organization like the OSGeo. Maybe this data
product
>> is an XML file, maybe it is a group of text files, or maybe it is
>> something else that I haven't thought of.
>
> IMHO, the first thing would be to define common data model for all 
> types of definitions and their sources. XML, text files, db tables, 
> etc. are just physical representation of a model. If there would be a 
> data model, then, I believe, it was possible to use any type of 
> storage you can think of.
>
>> I suspect each of the different CRS programming libraries has someone
>> that is trying to keep up with changes and additions to the CRS
>> definitions from the different sources mentioned above. I wonder if
>> working together to consolidate multiple CRS definition sources into
a
>> single "FOSS maintained" source might save us all some work.
>
> Yes, there are tools and scripts used in GDAL/OGR and PROJ.4 to
update.
> I think other CRS projects have their own tools.
>
>> There is already a "standard" and open format for CRS definitions,
>> namely WKT, correct? Couldn't this be used? (I know there are
thousands
>> of CRS definitions, but we could use streaming access to a text file,
at
>> least on the Java side of things.)
>
> Perhaps it's a reasonable option. I'm sure there would be need of 
> number of functions morphing between WKT and various formats (see 
> OGRSpatialReference::morphToESRI/morphFromESRI). We've already 
> identified in GDAL/OGR that we need another pair of morphers: 
> morphToOracle/morphFromOracle. It indicates we have to deal with WKT 
> variations.
>
>> At any rate, maybe there is already some type of "single source" for
CRS
>> definitions already in existence. But I thought it didn't hurt to
ask.
>
> AFAIK, there is no common source but I'm sure that a gang of inventors

> of something like that would be blessed :-)
>
>> It would seem that this would be one area that programmers using
>> different languages could cooperate.
>
> I'd list:
> - CRS model spec.
> - CRS interface spec. (not necesary but would be nice)
> - common set of CRS data generators from X known resources to single 
> repository
> - common rules for CRS def. translators, so all import/export 
> operations always result in the same output, independently to 
> implementation.
>
> Greetings


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