[Aust-NZ] Re: Strategic Investment in Geonetwork Open Source(draft paper)

[Robert.Woodcock at csiro.au]

Hi Cameron,

You're welcome to use the SEE Grid wiki if you would like. The NCRIS
Spatial Information Services Stack will be hosted here (it already is I
just need to do some reorganisation so that becomes obvious - could do
with a self-organising wiki!).

There is GeoNetwork section at this location
https://www.seegrid.csiro.au/twiki/bin/view/Infosrvices/GeoNetworkDevelo
pment

It's currently in template form pending the SISS Project Committee
approving the SISS Project plan, which should happen today. You may edit
the page and add a topic for your document if you wish and anyone else
wishing to contribute or access any other part of the SEE Grid twiki is
welcome to contact cg-admin at csiro.au to request a SEE Grid twiki
account.

There is a lot more than just GeoNetwork on this site, there is also
Geoserver work from SISS, a guide on developing GML Application Schemas,
the GeosciML standard and its testbeds, high performance computing using
Grid standards and so forth.

Regards,

Rob


Dr Robert Woodcock
CSIRO Exploration & Mining ,
ARRC, 26 Dick Perry Ave, 
Kensington, WA 6151 Australia
Phone +61 8 6436 8780 Fax +61 8 6436 8586
 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 1 July 2008 7:13 AM
To: Woodcock, Robert (E&M, Kensington)
Cc: Aust-NZ at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Aust-NZ] Re: Strategic Investment in Geonetwork Open
Source(draft paper)

Thank you Rob,
Your comments about coordinating sponsors and managing priorities are 
very valuable. They provide a good basis for discussion amongst 
stakeholders (which I'm hoping Ben Searle will be organising soon).

I plan to action your comments, then migrate the document to a wiki to 
allow collaborative editing in a couple of weeks.

Robert.Woodcock at csiro.au wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I've a few comments on the Strategic Investment in Geonetwork Open 
> Source(draft paper) document:
>
>     * Much of the document is an outline of what constitutes
>       appropriate software project management. In that regard it is a
>       useful guide when assessing investments, activities and teams
>       for the uninitiated
>     * GeoNetwork stakeholders list is useful in understanding some of
>       the interactions occurring. Interestingly though it does not
>       mention the GeoNetwork Project Steering Committee? (There is
>       also an error in the CSIRO section, the words for the Business
>       Drivers are Rob Woodcock's (mine) not Rob Atkinson's - just
>       don't want Rob A to be blamed!)
>     * The Community Liaison Officer* *would significantly assist
>       development contributions (from any participant) in better
>       informing stakeholders and in prioritising work (informed
>       decision making) across those organisations that choose to
>       participate through this coordination process - noting of course
>       that this coordination process is not the GeoNetwork one (that
>       isn't necessarily a bad thing as the objective is to better
>       coordinate ANZLIC investments, not take over GeoNetwork)
>     * It is entirely possible, potentially useful, for ANZLIC sponsors
>       to pool their resources and form a critical mass development
>       team with appropriate project management in order to further
>       their goals with GeoNetwork. - this may in fact be all that the
>       document is describing but it isn't clear to me that is the
>       case, as my next point describes, and if it is then how do other
>       projects, like NCIRS SISS, interact given they can directly
>       assist the ANZLIC objectives if properly informed?
>     * I'm concerned that the document confuses the multiple community
>       objectives that make up "GeoNetwork" development, bundling them
>       into a single geonetwork activity. I believe it is important
>       that this be understood more clearly as it impacts stakeholder
>       expectations - for example, expecting a production grade outcome
>       from a project contribution that, whilst adding the desired
>       feature, is only resourced and intended to add a demonstration
>       feature. More over, I'm concerned that this confusion leads to a
>       proposition that "developers can be pooled together under a
>       common project and project manager but still answerable to their
>       respective organisations". Whilst that may be possible under a
>       secondment style arrangement for resources the ANZLIC sponsors
>       control, that isn't the type of situation that exists in many
>       useful cases. Groups like BlueNet previously and NCRIS SISS
>       which are funded to deliver to their stakeholders have project
>       management and contractual obligations - they can't second staff
>       to nor be answerable to an Aust/NZ steering committee. Indeed, I
>       can't see those resources being leveraged in a useful form if an
>       external Project Manager attempts to manage those projects, it
>       may cause conflict. These project types, where willing, can
>       respond to a clear call for features or bug fixes etc and/or
>       allow their contributions to be leveraged elsewhere (where their
>       contractual terms permit and the communication of those
>       development priorities are clear). Indeed, many open source
>       project operate effectively on this principle.
>
> Achieving critical development mass, particularly around quality 
> issues and production releases, has been one of the principle 
> objectives of the NCIRS SISS project setup. It is unusual in that 
> regard because it isn't focussed on building features for its 
> stakeholders but on tackling a "gap" in the current community 
> investments in the spatial services stack that is hampering deployment

> efforts by multiple organisations (including some ANZLIC ones) that 
> NCRIS would like to see happen. The NCRIS SISS project stakeholders 
> are in fact interested in responding to a clear call for features and 
> bug fixes!
>
> The other main objective has been to work towards a "customer" 
> engagement model which provides a more informed decision making 
> process - the Community Liaison role suggested is one such approach, 
> especially when matched with an equivalent developer liaison role so 
> the "pair" can inform both up and down the communications pipe. Ben 
> Searle is on the NCRIS SISS Project Committee to assist in this 
> regards, though Ben is still keen to see this model improved further.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob
>
> Project Director - Auscope Grid
>
> SISS - Project Manager
>
> Dr Robert Woodcock
>
> CSIRO Exploration & Mining ,
>
> ARRC, 26 Dick Perry Ave,
>
> Kensington, WA 6151 Australia
>
> Phone +61 8 6436 8780 Fax +61 8 6436 8586
>
> 	
>
>
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>
> *From:* aust-nz-bounces at lists.osgeo.org 
> [mailto:aust-nz-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Bruce.Bannerman at dpi.vic.gov.au
> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 June 2008 1:57 PM
> *To:* Aust-NZ OSGeo
> *Subject:* Re: [Aust-NZ] Re: Strategic Investment in Geonetwork Open 
> Source(draft paper)
>
>
> IMO:
>
>
>
>
> Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> wrote on 26/06/2008 
> 09:45:02 AM:
>
>
> > >
> > > Perhaps we could put this into a wiki to allow other members of
the
> > > community to help develop it further.
> > Yes, good idea. I planned originally to use a wiki but migrated to
word
> > as I find it easier to write in and collate reviews. Once the
document
> > has stablized and when I next have a spare few hours I'll move it
across
> > (in a week or 2).
> > >
>
>
> OK.
>
> I intend making some comments / additions. I'll use track changes 
> within Word and post my version of the document back to the 
> OSGeo-AustNZ list so that we have an audit trail and archive.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Bruce Bannerman
>
>
>
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