[OpenLayers-Dev] RFC: Migrating OpenLayers SVN + Trac to OSGeo infrastructure

Erik Uzureau erik.uzureau at metacarta.com
Mon Jan 14 10:43:40 EST 2008 

+1 from me as well.... I would, however, feel a little remorse at the idea
of losing the www.openlayers.org :-/




On 1/14/08, Eric Lemoine <eric.c2c at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1. I think it's good to start moving the OL infrastructure to OSGeo.
> For the URLs I'd favor the regular OSGeo URLs.
>
> 2008/1/13, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>:
> > +1
> > This is a positive long term move.
> > It should ease the integration between projects they are sharing the
> > same hosting resources and share the workload.
> >
> > Paul Spencer wrote:
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > I think this is a good move to make for the project, and for OSGeo as
> > > well.
> > >
> > > I don't have any particular feeling about the structure of URLs and
> > > would be fine with either structure.
> > >
> > > While I'm not involved personally in SAC, I would like to help and I
> > > can ask Shawn Barnes to help out with any migration support that you
> > > need.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On 13-Jan-08, at 7:03 AM, Christopher Schmidt wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> OpenLayers is currently (graciously) hosted by MetaCarta. This has
> > >> worked out quite well so far, but using MetaCarta hosting has meant
> > >> we've had to 'roll our own' system for authentication -- and as many
> > >> people know, this particular system is rather hacky: an email to the
> > >> PSC
> > >> list to generate a new username, which requires manual intervention.
> > >>
> > >> Part of the reason that I've never improved upon this system is that
> > >> I've always felt that it would be better to invest in moving to OSGeo
> > >> infrastructure. For a while, this was difficult, but recently, OSGeo
> > >> has
> > >> found some solutiosn which make this technically possible.
> > >>
> > >> I'd like to suggest that we move to OSGeo infrastructure for hosting
> > >> Trac and the Wiki as soon as possible. I'm less sure on the website
> > >> and
> > >> mailing lists.
> > >>
> > >> Benefits of moving svn + wiki:
> > >> * Users can create their own userid -- or use their existing osgeo
> > >>   userid -- to login to either.
> > >> * Users creating tickets in trac will automatically get email
> > >> notification
> > >>   on updates of their tickets.
> > >> * It will be possible to register oneself as a "CC" on a bug without
> > >>   exposing an email address to the public web.
> > >> * Shared administrative resources with OSGeo -- which means that it's
> > >>   not just me who can update the server, but instead the set of
> people
> > >>   who maintain the OSGeo servers
> > >> * Shared OSGeo backup infrastructure. Currently, we're backing up
> > >>   OpenLayers internally to MetaCarta, and exporting data to OSGeo:
> > >>   moving to OSGeo infrastructure allows for the bcakups to be
> > >>   maintained by the foundation.
> > >>
> > >> The strongest one to me is that users will be able to create their
> own
> > >> accounts via an automated process - no humans involved. I think this
> > >> is
> > >> very important.
> > >>
> > >> I have a couple of questions which I don't personally have an answer
> > >> to
> > >> yet:
> > >>
> > >> Currently, all OSGeo svn, trac, etc. live under URLs like
> > >> http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/ , http://svn.osgeo.org/gdal/ . I do not
> > >> know
> > >> if it is possible to configure svn.openlayers.org to point directly
> to
> > >> the OSGeo server, or if it would be preferred for administrative
> > >> purposes to have it at svn.osgeo.org/openlayers/ . Obviously, even if
> > >> it's trivial in an administrative way, it would be more in line with
> > >> the
> > >> rest of the foundation-hosted projects to have the URL be
> > >> svn.osgeo.org/openlayers/ . Assuming that there is sufficiently good
> > >> infrastructure setup to allow for users to migrate from one to the
> > >> other, would it make sense to make the primary OpenLayers SVN URL be
> > >> the
> > >> osgeo.org/ form?
> > >>
> > >> Same question applies to trac.
> > >>
> > >> I view these aspects of the project as 'internal' -- where SVN lives
> > >> doesn't matter much, so long as it's correctly linked everywhere --
> > >> and
> > >> would be in support of moving into the osgeo.org namespace for svn
> and
> > >> trac, with appropriate redirects.
> > >>
> > >> A similar question applies to mailing lists. Currently, these lists
> > >> are
> > >> dev at openlayers.org and users at openlayers.org. Moving to OSGeo
> > >> infrastructure would probably mean moving these to
> > >> openlayers-users at lists.osgeo.org and openlayers-dev at lists.osgeo.org
> > >> (and
> > >> openlayers-trac and openlayers-commits.) Would it make sense to move
> > >> these, with proper redirects to lists.osgeo.org for both the email
> > >> addresses and the archives?
> > >>
> > >> Speaking as (essentially) the sole maintainer of the machine that
> > >> openlayers.org is hosted on, I'd like to move off whatever we can to
> > >> OSGeo infrastructure. As you can see here, one important piece of the
> > >> infrastructure piece is left aside, and that's the sandboxes,
> website,
> > >> etc. I think the important aspect of those changes is related to the
> > >> regular 'svn up' and rebuilding that happens. In the past, we've
> > >> discovered that doing these in post-commit hooks is bad, because it
> > >> takes too long to commit (which would be een more true now with the
> > >> NaturalDocs stuff). However, I think that we can devise a technical
> > >> solution -- using a post-commit hook to write a revision number, and
> a
> > >> cronjob to check whether changes have been made and rebuild if so. I
> > >> think this would allow us to move to OSGeo infrastructure for the
> > >> website as well, though there would obviously need to be some
> > >> technical
> > >> discussions for what we could do as far as doc regeneration, etc.
> > >> goes.
> > >>
> > >> This is not a motion yet: its a request for comments. I'm interested
> > >> in
> > >> moving for a number of reasons, both technical and social. Although
> > >> there are other people at MetaCarta with 'the keys' to the servers,
> > >> I'd
> > >> like to move that out to the foundation -- and I see that we get a
> > >> fair
> > >> amount of benefit from that. I'm hopeful that others agree, and we
> can
> > >> discuss the best way to move forward with the goal of making the
> > >> process
> > >> smooth.
> > >>
> > >> Feedback, comments, suggestions, concerns are welcome.
> > >>
> > >> (Note that at the moment, I'm not looking for technical advice on the
> > >> way to set up redirects or anything like that: we can address that
> > >> after
> > >> we address whether, and how, we *want* to move first.)
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> --
> > >> Christopher Schmidt
> > >> MetaCarta
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