[OpenLayers-Users] Intuitive and good looking icons

[Guillaume Sueur]

Hi

Magifying ugly glass is here :
http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/navtoolbar.html

and the three "+" can be seen here (Map Controls Example):
http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/controls.html

Guillaume

Christopher Schmidt a écrit :
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 02:26:02AM +0800, Jani Patokallio wrote:
>> Christopher Schmidt wrote:
>>> If you want to propose changes, I recommend patches be attached to a
>>> ticket, with suggestions. I'm not against changing what we have, I'm
>>> simply stating that I like them, and I think that anyone who says that
>>> they are obviously wrong -- as you are doing, again -- is missing the
>>> point.
>>>   
>> Design is debatable, lack of usability is not -- I dare you, go ahead,
>> take *anybody* unfamiliar with OL and ask them to figure out what the
>> three identical [+] icons mean or how the magnifying glass with the
>> red box works.  
> 
> I don't know what magnifying glass with red box you're talking about, so
> I can't comment on that. When I look at
> http://openlayers.org/dev/examples/lite.html , I see one "+", not three,
> and it's reasonably understandable how it works, in my opinion, though
> I'll admit the globe icon isn't the prettiest thing in the world. 
> 
>> Dismissing usability concerns as "personal
>> preferences" is facile: it's not a personal preference if our users
>> _don't understand how to use the map_, and OpenLayers should damn well
>> be usable out of the box.
> 
> I disagree with this last statement. OpenLayers is not designed to be
> usable 'out of the box'. It is a library designed to help you build
> applications, so it's your job as an OpenLayers user to build the box.
> OpenLayers doesn't do that for you. "Out of the box", OpenLayers
> provides the link above -- and the link above has none of the things
> you've described. (Minus lack of tooltips, but I don't think that
> they're particularly neccesary on the buttons enabled by default.)
> 
> Am I being intentionally limiting here? Yes, I am. There's a couple
> reasons for that.
> 
>  1. I don't respond well to people yelling about anything, and
>     right now, your approach comes off as yelling, whether that's
>     intentional or not. (This is me personally, but I think it extends
>     to most developers; attitude is everything when communicating with
>     a mailing list.)
>  
>  2. I strongly believe that the fixes for the issues you describe *are
>     not OpenLayers library fixes* primarily. Instead, they are
>     improvements to documentation and to the applications which use the
>     library. The things that you get when you don't configure *anything*
>     are demonstrated in lite.html -- anything else is configured by the
>     application developer. We provide some tools to make it easier, but
>     if you don't like it -- you can change them!
> 
>> Incidentally, tooltips for controls seem to have been implemented since
>> 2.6 (Trac #822), but apparently no default values are defined and you
>> need to hand-hack the Javascript to add your own.  Is there any reason
>> *not* to enable tooltips by default, especially now that OpenLayers
>> supports localization?  If not, I'll write the patch myself.
> 
> No reason, no.
> 
> Best Regards,