[Live-demo] Introduction

Cameron Shorter cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Tue Nov 23 16:01:44 PST 2010

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The current status of Spanish (and other) translations is here:

Feel free to start translating any of the currently untranslated 
Overview documents.
Process is here documented here:

On 24/11/10 10:56, Jonathan Roach wrote:
> Hi Hernan,
> I can provide assistance in language translation as well I am fluid 
> Spanish speaker and proficient writer at it as well.
> So please let me know! If you need some help.
> Regards
> *Jonathan K. Roach*
> */Geographic and Land Information Systems Officer /*
> /Division: Land Use and Sustainability/
> /Branch: Strategic Land Use Planning (Design and Technical Group/GIS)/
> /Manly Council/
> /Phone: (02) 9976 - 1612/
> /E-Mail: jonathan.roach at manly.nsw.gov.au/
> *From:* live-demo-bounces at lists.osgeo.org 
> [mailto:live-demo-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of *Hernan Olivera
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 November 2010 10:54 AM
> *To:* Cameron Shorter
> *Cc:* live-demo at lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Live-demo] Introduction
> Hi
> Remember my call for OSgeo-server! I want to contribute to this, and 
> to make spanish translations of anything. By the way, my work now 
> needs to install the stack on RedHat/CentOS. I'm working on it.
> saludos
> 2010/11/23 Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com 
> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>
> We have had a few different people express an interest developing an 
> OSGeo-Live version optimised for installation.
> I suspect that if timing is right for people interested in putting in 
> the effort required, that we could create such a variant for this (or 
> maybe next) release. Over the next few days, I'll dig through my 
> emails and gauge interest from potentially interested parties.
> On 24/11/10 09:25, Alex Mandel wrote:
> Jonathan,
> I understand the point, and maybe what we're searching for here is the
> appropriate way to direct the interest. Personally I've been running a
> 64bit workstation since 2005 exclusively on Ubuntu. I use the ubuntugis
> repos all the time to pull 64bit builds of most of the desktop
> applications, and 64bit jvm for running java apps.
> There is a high likelihood that our build actually works in a 64bit
> environment without any tweaks (maybe a few apps that are from source
> might get stuck). Given that, the OSGeo-live project's focus is
> specifically on the DVD, USB, VM usage as a way to introduce people to
> the software.
> If you would like to build and distribute a VM or DVD of the same stuff
> for 64bit go for it. If it's done with our scripts and in coordination
> with us we can also host the downloads. At some point it may even be
> easy for us to build both at the same time(I'm researching it right
> now). But given the larger footprint of 64 bit binaries and the
> likelihood of incompatible machines we just don't have the people to
> push that direction. Maybe we can make an svn branch to hold an minor
> adjustments needed for 64bit building and you can work in there?
> Also you might want to look at our friend project http://gisvm.com/
> where the focus is a GIS workstation build more than a demo. Or at
> Poseidon Linux http://sites.google.com/site/poseidonlinux/ which is
> starting to work with us too. This really starts to get at the idea of a
> prepackage distro for GIS workstations. We are not a distro and never
> plan to be, though OSGeo metapackages for ubuntu are not out of the
> question (One click install of everything).
> Thanks,
> Alex
> On 11/23/2010 02:02 PM, Jonathan Roach wrote:
> Hamish,
> You make a very compelling point.
> however my intentions of experimenting with a 64 bit environment are 
> to assist people buying estate of the art hardware to get their value 
> for the money.
> now days users are buying estate of the art computer hardware 
> (computers with multiple processing power), but there are very few 
> software applications that can support a 64 bit environment. most 
> application currently available can work in a 64 bit environment but 
> they still do not use effectively the hardware resources available. 
> Mostly, the Open Source Community have higher chances of making 64-bit 
> software application. This will mean value for money for the low 
> budget customer. Because developers of open source community are not 
> subject to the politics and marketing strategies that a private 
> company is subject to, Open source Software effectively working in a 
> 64 bit environment will give the open source community the upper hand 
> over the private companies making open source application more 
> appealing to a low budget customer and others in the hunt for new 
> software technologies.
> I work for a local government and our service provider, for mapping 
> purposes, is Pitney Bowes MapInfo. MapInfo is great product but we 
> have reach it's limits, as organizations that i work for is becoming 
> more aware of how important GIS is for its core business, request are 
> increasing. these are logical and reasonable requests but the program 
> MapInfo has reached its limit and we are starting to run out of 
> solutions. When we brought this to the attention of the Pitney Bowes 
> Mapinfo, they simply did not have an answer and our request was thrown 
> to the too hard basket. because they are not concern with problems of 
> customer where they are not making any money on.
> and so as Cameron Shorter has made a point on several presentations of 
> his we are stack with that vendor. but if open source software could 
> offer a more appealing solution, a low budget customer, such as 
> ourselves, could benefit from these solutions offered by the Open 
> Source community, plus the support from companies such as Lisa-soft, 
> would make it very appealing to customers.
> specially if it attracts the eye of a technically knowledgeable IT 
> Manger of any organization who is starting to run out of options.
> but In response to your statements, Hamish, the live DVD is a 
> demonstration only, if a customer signs up to purchase the software 
> from the Open Source Community they will be installing it locally in 
> their machines. not running it from the DVD.
> I think the Live DVD is a great idea for demonstration purposes only 
> but nothing else. but it should provide the option of a 64-bit 
> environment. if the software can operate well in the 64 bit 
> environment then as you well state it, Hamish, 32 bit PCs will be 
> around for the next 5-7 years, working in a 64-bit environment puts 
> the Open Source Community Software Applications 5 to 7 years ahead of 
> the market making us yet more appealing to not only to the low budget 
> user but also to every one else.
> and for individual in the GIS industry opens a door of knowledge that 
> not many of us would currently dare to step into because it is too risky.
> Regards
> Jonathan K. Roach
> Geographic and Land Information Systems Officer
> Division: Land Use and Sustainability
> Branch: Strategic Land Use Planning (Design and Technical Group/GIS)
> Manly Council
> Phone: (02) 9976 - 1612
> E-Mail: jonathan.roach at manly.nsw.gov.au 
> <mailto:jonathan.roach at manly.nsw.gov.au>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hamish [mailto:hamish_b at yahoo.com <mailto:hamish_b at yahoo.com>]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 3:13 PM
> To: live-demo at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:live-demo at lists.osgeo.org>; 
> Jonathan Roach
> Cc: oo7bone at bigfoot.com <mailto:oo7bone at bigfoot.com>
> Subject: Re: [Live-demo] Introduction
> Jonathan wrote:
> Particularly I would like to test in a 64 bit environment
> Hi and welcome.
> for what it's worth&  as is my understanding, despite common
> perceptions and advertising campaigns, 64bit is not magically
> faster and better than 32bit. fundamentally it just means that
> the addressable space goes from 2^32 bytes (a couple of gigs) to
> 2^64 (computer with that limit hasn't been invented yet).
> Integers can count higher by using twice the number of bits to
> store themselves in, and that's all.
> So 64bit is great for dealing with huge geo-data files (LFS),
> although most modern 32bit operating systems can deal with eg
> 2gb files. WindowsXP famously doesn't reach it's theoretical
> limit of 4gb RAM, and the program saving/reading the file has
> to use the right variable type (eg off_t) in the memory address
> to be 32bit LFS-capable as well.
> actually if huge files/memory requirements are not an issue for
> you, you might very well be better off sticking with 32-bit as
> it only needs to push half of the I/O bandwidth!
> On the other hand, while amd64 CPUs runs 32bit quite well, the
> CPUs will, with time, be tuned for 64bit instruction sets.
> ..maybe the increased number of registers helps more than
> anything else to unclog processing bottlenecks?
> So, unless working with really massive datasets is a goal for
> our demo DVD, I'm not entirely convinced that it gains us
> anything useful, but it does make the dvd unusable on xx% of
> the computers out there, and like it or not, 32 bit PCs will
> be around for the next 5-7 years.
> regards,
> Hamish
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> Cameron Shorter
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