[Live-demo] XCsoar application to join OSGeo-Live
Cameron Shorter
cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Tue Dec 11 01:07:19 PST 2012
Scott,
I'm expecting to hear back from a couple of other developers in the next
24 hours.
But as Angelos is starting our feature freeze build in under 48 hours,
lets fast track a few things.
In particular, your next steps will be to:
1. Get subversion access
2. Write an installer script and commit back to subversion
Can you please publicly apply for subversion access, in particular,
publicly acknowledge your conformance with our Open licenses, as per:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion
On 11/12/2012 12:40 PM, Brian Hamlin wrote:
>
> On Dec 10, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>
>> Application for an application used by Glider pilots to join OSGeo-Live.
>>
>> My assessment is:
>> 1. It looks to be a stable application, with a strong community
>> behind it which is good.
>
> very good - I just viewed the intro tour video and a quick check of
> the website. I would concur with Cameron's assessment
>
>> 2. It is a very targeted application (for glider pilots). Is
>> OSGeo-Live in a position to adopt this and many other targeted
>> applications such as this? I'm inclined to say yes, if the project is
>> widely used within the targeted community.
>>
>
> of course there are an infinite number of niche applications..
> however..
> we do have a precedent for a niche navigation app, with GPS Drive
>
>> So I'm voting +1 to include XCsoar.
>
> decision weighting might also be based on size on disk, use of open
> standards, innovative or compelling implementation
> other factors ?
>
> the very first point in the intro video is the strong data
> compression used! that helps a lot here!
> one of the first things to catch my eye in the web site discussion
> forums is a vigorous open source culture!
>
> looks good to me +1 notwithstanding other factors as yet unknown
>
>>
>> Any comments from others?
>>
>
> --
> Brian M Hamlin
> OSGeo California Chapter
> maplabs at light42.com
> 415-717-4462 cell
>
>> On 10/12/2012 11:26 PM, Scott Penrose wrote:
>>> Hi Cameron
>>>
>>> OK quick effort at the last moment...
>>>
>>>
>>> I won't try and get on the email list and send it may take too long.
>>> Is it ok to send to you. If not I can do it first thing in the morning.
>>>
>>>> • Please describe your application.
>>>> • What is its name?
>>> XCSoar
>>>
>>>> • What is the home page URL?
>>> http://xcsoar.org/
>>>
>>>> • Which OSI approved Open Source Licence is used?
>>> GPL
>>>
>>>> • What does the application do and how does it add value to
>>>> the GeoSpatial stack of software?
>>> XCSoar is a tactical glide computer originally developed for the
>>> Pocket PC platform. In 2005, the originally commercial software was
>>> given to the open-source community for further development and has
>>> constantly been improved since. It is now a multi-platform
>>> application that currently runs on Windows, Windows Mobile, Unix and
>>> even Android devices.
>>>
>>> In many ways it is an end user of GeoSpacial data, importing lots of
>>> information, from terrain to maps, airspace to real time weather.
>>> XCSoar also produces content in the international standard IGC file
>>> format - International Gliding Commission, Fédération Aéronautique
>>> Internationale.
>>>
>>> Part of XCSoar is also publishing tracks after flights and even live
>>> tracking through child projects such as Sky Lines -
>>> http://skylines.xcsoar.org/
>>>
>>>> • Does the application make use of OGC standards? Which
>>>> versions of the standards? Client or server? You may wish to add
>>>> comments about how standards are used.
>>> Data used by XCSoar includes:
>>> * Maps - built using JPEG2000 from standard formats (very limited
>>> space on glide computers) - Terrain & Topology
>>> * Airspace - OpenAir format - standard for Aviation airspace
>>> * Waypoints - Lots of formats supported
>>> * Flarmnet - FLARM is the international anti collision system used
>>> (stand alone), this DB allows us to use Flarm data for identification
>>> * Waypoint details file - text file
>>> * Checklists - text file
>>>
>>>> • What language is it written in?
>>>
>>> C++
>>>
>>>> • Which version of the application should be included in
>>>> the next OSGeo-Live release?
>>> STABLE - 6.4.4
>>>
>>>> • Stability is very important to us on OSGeo-Live. If a new
>>>> user finds a bug in one application, it will tarnish the reputation
>>>> of all other OSGeo-Live applications as well. (We pay most
>>>> attention to the following answers):
>>>> • If risk adverse organisations have deployed your
>>>> application into production, it would imply that these
>>>> organisations have verified the stability of your software. Has the
>>>> application been rolled out to production into risk (ideally risk
>>>> adverse) organisations? Please mention some of these organisations?
>>> Not really. We know XCSoar is used by defence, and gliding pilots,
>>> hang gliders, para gliders and other aviation use it for 7+ hours
>>> each day. Pilots do not depend on the software for safety, but they
>>> do for competition. It is used in almost all gliding competitions
>>> across the world.
>>>
>>>> • What is the size of the user community? You can often
>>>> answer this by mentioning downloads, or describing a healthy, busy
>>>> email list?
>>> In Android via Google Play alone there is 509 ratings (4.7/5 stars)
>>> & 21,950 installs (that is not downloads, that is installs - which
>>> means if users have multiple devices they only get 1, and each new
>>> version still only registers 1 user).
>>>
>>> Gliding is relatively small, 2000+ pilots in Australia. The numbers
>>> of users on Mac, Windows, PocketPC, and dedicated devices (e.g.
>>> Altair) is not recorded.
>>>
>>>> • What is the size of your developer community?
>>> 10 very active (daily commit) developers. 50 developers over the
>>> last year.
>>>
>>>> • Do you have a bug free, stable release?
>>> Yes. As it is used in gliding competitions it is very important.
>>> Very quick community to update too.
>>>
>>>> • Please discuss the level of testing that your project has
>>>> gone through.
>>> Built in unit testing. Lots of recent work in performance testing
>>> (it is important with older and small embedded devices). User
>>> testing by all "release candidates" before final stable builds.
>>>
>>> Code is all done in GIT, and all pulls are code reviewed and tested
>>> before merging.
>>>
>>>> • How long has the project has had mature code.
>>> 5 years. Slow period 3 years ago with fresh development team with
>>> now even more mature code in the last 2 years.
>>>
>>>> • OSGeo-Live is targeted at applications that people can use
>>>> rather than libraries. Does the application have a user interface
>>>> (possibly a command line interface) that a user can interact with?
>>>> (We do make an exception for Incubated OSGeo Libraries, and will
>>>> include Project Overviews for these libraries, even if they don't
>>>> have a user interface.)
>>> Yes it is a GUI interface.
>>>
>>>> • We give preference to OSGeo Incubated Projects, or Projects
>>>> which are presented at FOSS4G conferences. If your project is
>>>> involved in OSGeo Incubation, or has been selected to be presented
>>>> at FOSS4G, then please mention it.
>>> It has been at many conferences, including OSDC.com.au, but not
>>> FOSS4G (although I went when it was in Australia).
>>>
>>>> • With around 50 applications installed on OSGeo-Live, us core
>>>> packagers do not have the time to liaise with every single project
>>>> email list for each OSGeo-Live release. So we require a volunteer
>>>> (or two) to take responsibility for liaising between OSGeo-Live and
>>>> the project's communities. This volunteer will be responsible for
>>>> ensuring the install scripts and English documentation are updated
>>>> by someone for each OSGeo-Live release. Also test that the
>>>> installed application and Quickstart documentation works as
>>>> expected on release candidate releases of OSGeo-Live. Who will act
>>>> as the project's liaison person.
>>> Scott Penrose <scottp at dd.com.au> - expert in XCSoar and Linux, happy
>>> to help.
>>>
>>>> • OSGeo-Live is Ubuntu Linux based. Our installation preference
>>>> is:
>>>> • Install from UbuntuGIS or DebianGIS
>>>> • Install .deb files from a PPA
>>>> • Write a custom install script
>>> Probably just a custom install script for this release. Although it
>>> is fairly easy stand alone install.
>>>
>>>> Can you please discuss how your application will be installed.
>>>> • OSGeo-Live is memory and disk constrained. Can the
>>>> application run in 512 Meg of RAM?
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> • How much disk space will be required to install the
>>>> application and a suitable example application?
>>> Approx 10MB
>>>
>>>> • We aim to reduce disk space by having all applications make
>>>> use of a common dataset. We encourage applications to make use of
>>>> the example datasets already installed:
>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Example_Datasets If
>>>> another dataset would be more appropriate, please discuss here. Is
>>>> it appropriate, to remove existing demo datasets which may already
>>>> be included in the standard release.
>>> Unfortunately not possible, but the demo data set can be very
>>> constrained.
>>>
>>>> • Each OSGeo-Live application requires a Project Overview
>>>> available under a CC By and a Quickstart available under a CC By-SA
>>>> license. (You may release under a second license as well). Will you
>>>> produce this?
>>> Yes
>>>
>>>> • In past releases, we have included Windows and Mac installers
>>>> for some applications. It is likely we won't have space for these
>>>> in future releases. However, if there is room, would you be wishing
>>>> to include Windows and/or Mac installers?
>>> Yes we have a Mac and Windows installer. The data files can be
>>> common to all versions. There is also an Android, Pocket PC and
>>> other versions.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cameron Shorter
>> Geospatial Solutions Manager
>> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
>> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
>>
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Cameron Shorter
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Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
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