[Live-demo] Submit New Project - MapIgniter2

Marco Afonso mafonso333 at gmail.com
Sat Nov 28 03:45:26 PST 2015

Hi all,

I realised that the exclusion o MapIgniter2 was based on giving a lot of
weight to 1 criteria (project's comunity).

Let me make two important questions:
1. Whats are the weights of each criteria? (You can even create a formula
based on criteria weights).
2. Would it be more democratic and fair the project admission, using a
voting system?

Thanks :)
Em 28/11/2015 11:33, "Angelos Tzotsos" <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com> escreveu:

> Also, the disk size question is highly relevant... we are still keeping an
> OSGeo graduated project out of the disk due to enormous disk footprint....
> :(
> On 11/28/2015 01:27 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>> Hi Daniel,
>> I agree that we need to help new projects. This is indeed one of the
>> roles of OSGeo-Live. The questionnaire is there to identify some aspects of
>> the incoming projects, not to act like an incubation process. But we also
>> need to filter what is somehow mature and stable. In my opinion the only 2
>> questions that should block an incoming software are the licensing and the
>> stable release questions. I recall I was rejected inclusion of pycsw until
>> we reached v1.0 and this helped the pycsw team to focus on doing a stable
>> release.
>> I always ask the incoming project to provide an installer to add under
>> the beta folder. On the next release, a user can easily install a beta
>> project by running the installer from the live system and be able to test
>> the software. This also provides time to review documentation and do the
>> translations needed.
>> So I would like to see both MapIgniter2 and OpenEarthView provide and
>> maintain their installers according to our packaging standards as beta
>> projects for 9.5 and include them as stable in a later release.
>> Best,
>> Angelos
>> On 11/28/2015 08:05 AM, Daniel Kastl wrote:
>>> Hi Cameron,
>>> At the time when OSGeo Live started, no project had to answer a
>>> questionnaire, that almost looks like a "Mini application for
>>> incubation". So I think there are quite a few installed on OSGeo Live,
>>> that wouldn't qualify with the rules you're setting now:
>>> http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html
>>> I can understand the frustration of some, who would like to make their
>>> project available on OSGeo Live to reach out to more users. Because this
>>> might be actually a way to build a community. We could help them to
>>> achieve something, that is pretty difficult and can take years.
>>> So I'm not sure we have to be so strict in terms of community and
>>> maturity.
>>> We should be more strict in how software is installed (ie. providing
>>> packages) and that there is someone maintaining the project for OSGeo
>>> Live.
>>> Just some thoughts,
>>> Daniel
>>> On 28/11/15 14:43, clement at igonet.fr wrote:
>>>> That's the answer I got for OpenEarthView project...
>>>> OsGeoLive is made for user only, not at all to help starting promising
>>>> projects.
>>>> That's frustrating.
>>>> They get the good part of free and open source projects, refusing to
>>>> take the risk of helping new ones.
>>>> What to say... That's not the open source (and open mind) philosophy...
>>>> Le 26 novembre 2015 19:28:14 UTC+01:00, Cameron Shorter
>>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>      Hi Marco,
>>>>      It sounds like you have the start of a good project.
>>>>      However, my feeling is that has not yet reached the maturity of
>>>>      the other projects we have on OSGeo-Live.
>>>>      In particular, we help new users answer the questions:
>>>>      * What good open source GIS projects are out there?
>>>>      * What is everyone else using?
>>>>      What I suggest working on is getting a stronger answer to the
>>>>      second question.
>>>>      Aim to build up a community behind your project.
>>>>      Look to get your project used by many organisations.
>>>>      Aim to attract developers from these organisations.
>>>>      I know this is a tough ask, and often takes years to attract such
>>>>      a community.
>>>>      But attracting a community is the true test of whether a project
>>>>      is valuable or not.
>>>>      Apache has a good page about building a community which might be
>>>>      worth a read:
>>>>      http://incubator.apache.org/guides/community.html
>>>>      On 26/11/2015 6:39 am, Marco Afonso wrote:
>>>>>      Hello Alex,
>>>>>      Thank you for your reply.
>>>>>      Follows the MapIgniter application request to integrate OSGeo
>>>>>      Live. As we can see, this is a very recent project but with very
>>>>>      good technological background to evolve and specially satisfy
>>>>>      user needs.
>>>>>      I hope it can be accepted. If work has to be done, I'm on it!
>>>>>      Cheers,
>>>>>      Marco
>>>>>      *Please describe your application.
>>>>>      What is its name?*
>>>>>      It's name is MapIgniter2. The name came from previous release,
>>>>>      where it was based on CodeIgniter PHP framework.
>>>>>      *What is the home page URL?*
>>>>>      The project's home is hosted on GitHub at
>>>>>      https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2
>>>>>      *Which OSI approved Open Source Licence is used?*
>>>>>      It uses the MIT license.
>>>>>      *What does the application do and how does it add value to the
>>>>>      GeoSpatial stack of software?*
>>>>>      MapIgniter is a GeoCMS which combines web mapping features with
>>>>>      Content Management System (CMS) features. It is a browser-based
>>>>>      software, or more commonly refered as a web application. The main
>>>>>      purpose of this software is to let users publish Geographic
>>>>>      Information on the Internet / Intranet on a free and Open Source
>>>>>      platform. Considering that there are other Open Source web
>>>>>      mapping platforms, MapIgniter distinguishes it self, and adds
>>>>>      value to GeoSpatial stack software, by being powered by cutting
>>>>>      edge Javascript and PHP frameworks/libraries, providing the best
>>>>>      tools for creating modern web applications.
>>>>>      *
>>>>>      *
>>>>>      *Does the application make use of OGC standards? Which versions
>>>>>      of the standards? Client or server? You may wish to add comments
>>>>>      about how standards are used.*
>>>>>      This software makes use of a subset of OGC standards; currently
>>>>>      WMS and WFS. Specific version numbers can be configured by the
>>>>>      user. MapIgniter backoffice interface allows to configure these
>>>>>      OGC service parameters to be used by OpenLayers 3 (frontend web
>>>>>      mapping library).
>>>>>      *What language is it written in?*
>>>>>      The default interface language is English. Also includes
>>>>>      Portuguese language files. Any idiom can be added later. This is
>>>>>      a feature of the PHP Laravel Architecture which is the PHP
>>>>>      Framework that powers this software.
>>>>>      *Which version of the application should be included in the next
>>>>>      OSGeo-Live release?*
>>>>>      MapIgniter2 targets release 1.0 for the next release of
>>>>> OSGeo-Live.
>>>>>      *Stability is very important to us on OSGeo-Live. If a new user
>>>>>      finds a bug in one application, it will tarnish the reputation of
>>>>>      all other OSGeo-Live applications as well. (We pay most attention
>>>>>      to the following answers):
>>>>>      If risk adverse organisations have deployed your application into
>>>>>      production, it would imply that these organisations have verified
>>>>>      the stability of your software. Has the application been rolled
>>>>>      out to production into risk (ideally risk adverse) organisations?
>>>>>      Please mention some of these organisations?*
>>>>>      The number of organisations using MapIgniter2 is unknown. Mainly
>>>>>      because this is a very recent software. Although, being
>>>>>      MapIgniter built upon Laravel 5.1 and OpenLayers 3, these two
>>>>>      frameworks have proven it's success in web development
>>>>>      applications it's usage by a number of companies.
>>>>>      Please see
>>>>>      Laravel Jobs https://larajobs.com/?partner=5#/
>>>>>      Openlayers Sponsors http://openlayers.org/sponsors.html
>>>>>      *Open HUB provides metrics to help assess the health of a
>>>>>      project. Eg:
>>>>> http://adhoc.osgeo.osuosl.org/livedvd/docs/en/metrics.html Could
>>>>>      you please ensure that your project is registered with Open HUB,
>>>>>      and Open HUB has been updated to reference the correct code
>>>>>      repository(s) for your project. What is the Open HUB URL for your
>>>>>      project?*
>>>>>      The Open Hub URL is https://www.openhub.net/p/mapigniter2
>>>>>      *What is the size of the user community? You can often answer
>>>>>      this by mentioning downloads, or describing a healthy, busy email
>>>>>      list?*
>>>>>      MapIgniter2 has no community yet. The previous release has 10
>>>>>      forks on GitHub, 19 starred and 9 people watching the repository.
>>>>>      The Google groups has been some activity since 2012 until April
>>>>>      2015 from several users.
>>>>>      *What is the size of your developer community?*
>>>>>      Currently there is one developer.
>>>>>      *Do you have a bug free, stable release?*
>>>>>      Not yet.
>>>>>      *
>>>>>      *
>>>>>      *Please discuss the level of testing that your project has gone
>>>>>      through.*
>>>>>      There will be automated tests in soon.
>>>>>      *How long has the project has had mature code.*
>>>>>      The project is very recent.
>>>>>      *OSGeo-Live is targeted at applications that people can use
>>>>>      rather than libraries. Does the application have a user interface
>>>>>      (possibly a command line interface) that a user can interact
>>>>>      with? (We do make an exception for Incubated OSGeo Libraries, and
>>>>>      will include Project Overviews for these libraries, even if they
>>>>>      don't have a user interface.)*
>>>>>      Yes the software works on a web browser interface.
>>>>>      *We give preference to OSGeo Incubated Projects, or Projects
>>>>>      which are presented at FOSS4G conferences. If your project is
>>>>>      involved in OSGeo Incubation, or has been selected to be
>>>>>      presented at FOSS4G, then please mention it.*
>>>>>      Previous release of MapIgniter was presented to the OSGeo
>>>>>      Portuguese community on the 16th November 2012.
>>>>>      Please see
>>>>>      http://www.osgeo.org/node/1318
>>>>>      http://osgeopt.pt/eventos/sasig5.markdown/
>>>>>      *
>>>>>      *
>>>>>      *With around 50 applications installed on OSGeo-Live, us core
>>>>>      packagers do not have the time to liaise with every single
>>>>>      project email list for each OSGeo-Live release. So we require a
>>>>>      volunteer (or two) to take responsibility for liaising between
>>>>>      OSGeo-Live and the project's communities. This volunteer will be
>>>>>      responsible for ensuring the install scripts and English
>>>>>      documentation are updated by someone for each OSGeo-Live release.
>>>>>      Also test that the installed application and Quickstart
>>>>>      documentation works as expected on release candidate releases of
>>>>>      OSGeo-Live. Who will act as the project's liaison person.*
>>>>>      *
>>>>>      OSGeo-Live is Ubuntu Linux based. Our installation preference is:
>>>>>      Install from UbuntuGIS or DebianGIS
>>>>>      Install .deb files from a PPA
>>>>>      Write a custom install script
>>>>>      Can you please discuss how your application will be installed.*
>>>>>      *MapIgniter is a web mapping application based on PHP Laravel 5.1
>>>>>      Framework. Laravel framework runs over Apache2 or Nginx web
>>>>>      servers. MapIgniter system requirements matches Laravel 5.1
>>>>>      requirements.*
>>>>>      MapIgniter install procedure is similar to Laravel install
>>>>>      procedure. It can be manually installed by using the instructions
>>>>>      documented in MapIgniter GitHub repository. Also, there is an
>>>>>      install script (linux) that automates the install process. Just
>>>>>      enter onto Apache public folder and run from shell
>>>>>      curl
>>>>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2/master/install.sh
>>>>>      | sudo sh
>>>>>      Please see
>>>>>      Laravel Documentation http://laravel.com/docs/5.1
>>>>>      Install script
>>>>> https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2/blob/master/install.sh
>>>>>      *OSGeo-Live is memory and disk constrained. Can the application
>>>>>      run in 512 Meg of RAM?*
>>>>>      Yes.
>>>>>      *How much disk space will be required to install the application
>>>>>      and a suitable example application?*
>>>>>      Approximately 38 Mbytes.
>>>>>      *We aim to reduce disk space by having all applications make use
>>>>>      of a common dataset. We encourage applications to make use of the
>>>>>      example datasets already installed:
>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Example_Datasets
>>>>>      If another dataset would be more appropriate, please discuss
>>>>>      here. Is it appropriate, to remove existing demo datasets which
>>>>>      may already be included in the standard release.*
>>>>>      Examples datasets provided by OSGeo Live are fine to be used with
>>>>>      MapIgniter. Optimum data is with native Web Mercator projection.
>>>>>      *Each OSGeo-Live application requires a Project Overview
>>>>>      available under a CC By and a Quickstart available under a CC
>>>>>      By-SA license. (You may release under a second license as well).
>>>>>      Will you produce this?*
>>>>>      Yes.
>>>>>      *In past releases, we have included Windows and Mac installers
>>>>>      for some applications. It is likely we won't have space for these
>>>>>      in future releases. However, if there is room, would you be
>>>>>      wishing to include Windows and/or Mac installers?*
>>>>>      Yes, Windows installer.
>>>>>      *
>>>>>      *
>>>>>      2015-11-25 17:01 GMT+00:00 Alex Mandel
>>>>>      <tech_dev at wildintellect.com <mailto:tech_dev at wildintellect.com>>:
>>>>>          On 11/25/2015 08:24 AM, Marco Afonso wrote:
>>>>>          > Hi,
>>>>>          >
>>>>>          > I would like to submit a new project for OSGeo-Live.
>>>>>          >
>>>>>          > The project in case is MapIgniter2.
>>>>>          > Here is the home of the project:
>>>>>          https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2
>>>>>          >
>>>>>          > I would like to know what are the requirements and
>>>>>          procedures to be
>>>>>          > accepted to integrate OSGeo Live.
>>>>>          >
>>>>>          >
>>>>>          >
>>>>>          Marco,
>>>>>          Reply to this thread with the answers to the following
>>>>> questions:
>>>>>          http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Apply
>>>>>          The expanded details of adding new projects is documented at:
>>>>>          http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project
>>>>>          Thanks,
>>>>>          Alex
>>>>>      --
>>>>>      Regards,
>>>>>      Marco Afonso
>>>>>      http://goo.gl/ZDtQjm
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