[Live-demo] Submit New Project - MapIgniter2
Angelos Tzotsos
gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com
Sat Nov 28 05:29:42 PST 2015
Dear Marco,
I am a bit confused: are you asking for a weight system (where all
projects meeting the criteria are included) or are you asking for a vote?
Following a weight system is not that simple.
For example an excellent project that is 3GB in size would never be
included in a 4GB live disk regardless of the excellency in community,
innovation and documentation (and regardless of the weights). It is just
binary in some cases.
Plus, this kind of weight model is not even applied in the OSGeo
incubation process... I thought you were arguing in favour of a more
inclusive process :)
In my opinion this process should remain at reaching some minimal
requirements with decision making being done at the PSC and/or community
level through a vote.
I see a point though that we have not followed a very formal process in
the past, and have not published all our IRC meeting decisions on the
mailing list for confirmation... We can definitely improve in that area...
Best,
Angelos
On 11/28/2015 02:53 PM, Marco Afonso wrote:
> Dear Angelos,
>
> I undestand and respect the history of OSGeo-Live as I respect the history
> of my country.
>
> My question about selection criteria and its weights provides an
> independant background and independent of history.
>
> Just for an example of criteria weights (ignore the numbers):
>
> 30% project comunity
> 20% inovation
> 20% documentation
> 30% space requirents
>
> I think we all would like to see an independant model like this for project
> admission :)
>
> Cheers,
> Marco
> Em 28/11/2015 11:58, "Angelos Tzotsos" <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>> Dear Marco,
>>
>> I do not see the current e-mail thread as a strong rejection of
>> MapIgniter2.
>> I see it more like a review process.
>> If you look for the release history of OSGeo-Live, many well respected
>> projects remained in staging area for one or two releases until they
>> provided all the requirements to be officially included (documentation and
>> packaging work).
>>
>> The final decision on whether to include a project or not is usually
>> reached by a vote in one of our weekly IRC meetings.
>>
>> Best,
>> Angelos
>>
>> On 11/28/2015 01:45 PM, Marco Afonso wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I realised that the exclusion o MapIgniter2 was based on giving a lot of
>>> weight to 1 criteria (project's comunity).
>>>
>>> Let me make two important questions:
>>> 1. Whats are the weights of each criteria? (You can even create a formula
>>> based on criteria weights).
>>> 2. Would it be more democratic and fair the project admission, using a
>>> voting system?
>>>
>>> Thanks :)
>>> Em 28/11/2015 11:33, "Angelos Tzotsos" <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Also, the disk size question is highly relevant... we are still keeping an
>>>> OSGeo graduated project out of the disk due to enormous disk
>>>> footprint....
>>>> :(
>>>>
>>>> On 11/28/2015 01:27 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>> I agree that we need to help new projects. This is indeed one of the
>>>>> roles of OSGeo-Live. The questionnaire is there to identify some
>>>>> aspects of
>>>>> the incoming projects, not to act like an incubation process. But we
>>>>> also
>>>>> need to filter what is somehow mature and stable. In my opinion the
>>>>> only 2
>>>>> questions that should block an incoming software are the licensing and
>>>>> the
>>>>> stable release questions. I recall I was rejected inclusion of pycsw
>>>>> until
>>>>> we reached v1.0 and this helped the pycsw team to focus on doing a
>>>>> stable
>>>>> release.
>>>>>
>>>>> I always ask the incoming project to provide an installer to add under
>>>>> the beta folder. On the next release, a user can easily install a beta
>>>>> project by running the installer from the live system and be able to
>>>>> test
>>>>> the software. This also provides time to review documentation and do the
>>>>> translations needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I would like to see both MapIgniter2 and OpenEarthView provide and
>>>>> maintain their installers according to our packaging standards as beta
>>>>> projects for 9.5 and include them as stable in a later release.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Angelos
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/28/2015 08:05 AM, Daniel Kastl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Cameron,
>>>>>> At the time when OSGeo Live started, no project had to answer a
>>>>>> questionnaire, that almost looks like a "Mini application for
>>>>>> incubation". So I think there are quite a few installed on OSGeo Live,
>>>>>> that wouldn't qualify with the rules you're setting now:
>>>>>> http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can understand the frustration of some, who would like to make their
>>>>>> project available on OSGeo Live to reach out to more users. Because
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> might be actually a way to build a community. We could help them to
>>>>>> achieve something, that is pretty difficult and can take years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'm not sure we have to be so strict in terms of community and
>>>>>> maturity.
>>>>>> We should be more strict in how software is installed (ie. providing
>>>>>> packages) and that there is someone maintaining the project for OSGeo
>>>>>> Live.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just some thoughts,
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28/11/15 14:43, clement at igonet.fr wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the answer I got for OpenEarthView project...
>>>>>>> OsGeoLive is made for user only, not at all to help starting promising
>>>>>>> projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's frustrating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They get the good part of free and open source projects, refusing to
>>>>>>> take the risk of helping new ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What to say... That's not the open source (and open mind)
>>>>>>> philosophy...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 26 novembre 2015 19:28:14 UTC+01:00, Cameron Shorter
>>>>>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Marco,
>>>>>>> It sounds like you have the start of a good project.
>>>>>>> However, my feeling is that has not yet reached the maturity of
>>>>>>> the other projects we have on OSGeo-Live.
>>>>>>> In particular, we help new users answer the questions:
>>>>>>> * What good open source GIS projects are out there?
>>>>>>> * What is everyone else using?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I suggest working on is getting a stronger answer to the
>>>>>>> second question.
>>>>>>> Aim to build up a community behind your project.
>>>>>>> Look to get your project used by many organisations.
>>>>>>> Aim to attract developers from these organisations.
>>>>>>> I know this is a tough ask, and often takes years to attract
>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>> a community.
>>>>>>> But attracting a community is the true test of whether a project
>>>>>>> is valuable or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apache has a good page about building a community which might be
>>>>>>> worth a read:
>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/community.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26/11/2015 6:39 am, Marco Afonso wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Alex,
>>>>>>>> Thank you for your reply.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Follows the MapIgniter application request to integrate OSGeo
>>>>>>>> Live. As we can see, this is a very recent project but with
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> good technological background to evolve and specially satisfy
>>>>>>>> user needs.
>>>>>>>> I hope it can be accepted. If work has to be done, I'm on it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Marco
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Please describe your application.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is its name?*
>>>>>>>> It's name is MapIgniter2. The name came from previous release,
>>>>>>>> where it was based on CodeIgniter PHP framework.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *What is the home page URL?*
>>>>>>>> The project's home is hosted on GitHub at
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Which OSI approved Open Source Licence is used?*
>>>>>>>> It uses the MIT license.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *What does the application do and how does it add value to the
>>>>>>>> GeoSpatial stack of software?*
>>>>>>>> MapIgniter is a GeoCMS which combines web mapping features with
>>>>>>>> Content Management System (CMS) features. It is a browser-based
>>>>>>>> software, or more commonly refered as a web application. The
>>>>>>>> main
>>>>>>>> purpose of this software is to let users publish Geographic
>>>>>>>> Information on the Internet / Intranet on a free and Open
>>>>>>>> Source
>>>>>>>> platform. Considering that there are other Open Source web
>>>>>>>> mapping platforms, MapIgniter distinguishes it self, and adds
>>>>>>>> value to GeoSpatial stack software, by being powered by cutting
>>>>>>>> edge Javascript and PHP frameworks/libraries, providing the
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> tools for creating modern web applications.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Does the application make use of OGC standards? Which versions
>>>>>>>> of the standards? Client or server? You may wish to add
>>>>>>>> comments
>>>>>>>> about how standards are used.*
>>>>>>>> This software makes use of a subset of OGC standards; currently
>>>>>>>> WMS and WFS. Specific version numbers can be configured by the
>>>>>>>> user. MapIgniter backoffice interface allows to configure these
>>>>>>>> OGC service parameters to be used by OpenLayers 3 (frontend web
>>>>>>>> mapping library).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *What language is it written in?*
>>>>>>>> The default interface language is English. Also includes
>>>>>>>> Portuguese language files. Any idiom can be added later. This
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> a feature of the PHP Laravel Architecture which is the PHP
>>>>>>>> Framework that powers this software.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Which version of the application should be included in the
>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live release?*
>>>>>>>> MapIgniter2 targets release 1.0 for the next release of
>>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Stability is very important to us on OSGeo-Live. If a new user
>>>>>>>> finds a bug in one application, it will tarnish the reputation
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> all other OSGeo-Live applications as well. (We pay most
>>>>>>>> attention
>>>>>>>> to the following answers):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If risk adverse organisations have deployed your application
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> production, it would imply that these organisations have
>>>>>>>> verified
>>>>>>>> the stability of your software. Has the application been rolled
>>>>>>>> out to production into risk (ideally risk adverse)
>>>>>>>> organisations?
>>>>>>>> Please mention some of these organisations?*
>>>>>>>> The number of organisations using MapIgniter2 is unknown.
>>>>>>>> Mainly
>>>>>>>> because this is a very recent software. Although, being
>>>>>>>> MapIgniter built upon Laravel 5.1 and OpenLayers 3, these two
>>>>>>>> frameworks have proven it's success in web development
>>>>>>>> applications it's usage by a number of companies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please see
>>>>>>>> Laravel Jobs https://larajobs.com/?partner=5#/
>>>>>>>> Openlayers Sponsors http://openlayers.org/sponsors.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Open HUB provides metrics to help assess the health of a
>>>>>>>> project. Eg:
>>>>>>>> http://adhoc.osgeo.osuosl.org/livedvd/docs/en/metrics.html Could
>>>>>>>> you please ensure that your project is registered with Open
>>>>>>>> HUB,
>>>>>>>> and Open HUB has been updated to reference the correct code
>>>>>>>> repository(s) for your project. What is the Open HUB URL for
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> project?*
>>>>>>>> The Open Hub URL is https://www.openhub.net/p/mapigniter2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *What is the size of the user community? You can often answer
>>>>>>>> this by mentioning downloads, or describing a healthy, busy
>>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>>> list?*
>>>>>>>> MapIgniter2 has no community yet. The previous release has 10
>>>>>>>> forks on GitHub, 19 starred and 9 people watching the
>>>>>>>> repository.
>>>>>>>> The Google groups has been some activity since 2012 until April
>>>>>>>> 2015 from several users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *What is the size of your developer community?*
>>>>>>>> Currently there is one developer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Do you have a bug free, stable release?*
>>>>>>>> Not yet.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> *Please discuss the level of testing that your project has gone
>>>>>>>> through.*
>>>>>>>> There will be automated tests in soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *How long has the project has had mature code.*
>>>>>>>> The project is very recent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *OSGeo-Live is targeted at applications that people can use
>>>>>>>> rather than libraries. Does the application have a user
>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>> (possibly a command line interface) that a user can interact
>>>>>>>> with? (We do make an exception for Incubated OSGeo Libraries,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> will include Project Overviews for these libraries, even if
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> don't have a user interface.)*
>>>>>>>> Yes the software works on a web browser interface.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *We give preference to OSGeo Incubated Projects, or Projects
>>>>>>>> which are presented at FOSS4G conferences. If your project is
>>>>>>>> involved in OSGeo Incubation, or has been selected to be
>>>>>>>> presented at FOSS4G, then please mention it.*
>>>>>>>> Previous release of MapIgniter was presented to the OSGeo
>>>>>>>> Portuguese community on the 16th November 2012.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please see
>>>>>>>> http://www.osgeo.org/node/1318
>>>>>>>> http://osgeopt.pt/eventos/sasig5.markdown/
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> *With around 50 applications installed on OSGeo-Live, us core
>>>>>>>> packagers do not have the time to liaise with every single
>>>>>>>> project email list for each OSGeo-Live release. So we require a
>>>>>>>> volunteer (or two) to take responsibility for liaising between
>>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live and the project's communities. This volunteer will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> responsible for ensuring the install scripts and English
>>>>>>>> documentation are updated by someone for each OSGeo-Live
>>>>>>>> release.
>>>>>>>> Also test that the installed application and Quickstart
>>>>>>>> documentation works as expected on release candidate releases
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live. Who will act as the project's liaison person.*
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live is Ubuntu Linux based. Our installation preference
>>>>>>>> is:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Install from UbuntuGIS or DebianGIS
>>>>>>>> Install .deb files from a PPA
>>>>>>>> Write a custom install script
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you please discuss how your application will be installed.*
>>>>>>>> *MapIgniter is a web mapping application based on PHP Laravel
>>>>>>>> 5.1
>>>>>>>> Framework. Laravel framework runs over Apache2 or Nginx web
>>>>>>>> servers. MapIgniter system requirements matches Laravel 5.1
>>>>>>>> requirements.*
>>>>>>>> MapIgniter install procedure is similar to Laravel install
>>>>>>>> procedure. It can be manually installed by using the
>>>>>>>> instructions
>>>>>>>> documented in MapIgniter GitHub repository. Also, there is an
>>>>>>>> install script (linux) that automates the install process. Just
>>>>>>>> enter onto Apache public folder and run from shell
>>>>>>>> curl
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2/master/install.sh
>>>>>>>> | sudo sh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please see
>>>>>>>> Laravel Documentation http://laravel.com/docs/5.1
>>>>>>>> Install script
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2/blob/master/install.sh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *OSGeo-Live is memory and disk constrained. Can the application
>>>>>>>> run in 512 Meg of RAM?*
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *How much disk space will be required to install the
>>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>>> and a suitable example application?*
>>>>>>>> Approximately 38 Mbytes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *We aim to reduce disk space by having all applications make
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> of a common dataset. We encourage applications to make use of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> example datasets already installed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project#Example_Datasets
>>>>>>>> If another dataset would be more appropriate, please discuss
>>>>>>>> here. Is it appropriate, to remove existing demo datasets which
>>>>>>>> may already be included in the standard release.*
>>>>>>>> Examples datasets provided by OSGeo Live are fine to be used
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> MapIgniter. Optimum data is with native Web Mercator
>>>>>>>> projection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Each OSGeo-Live application requires a Project Overview
>>>>>>>> available under a CC By and a Quickstart available under a CC
>>>>>>>> By-SA license. (You may release under a second license as
>>>>>>>> well).
>>>>>>>> Will you produce this?*
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *In past releases, we have included Windows and Mac installers
>>>>>>>> for some applications. It is likely we won't have space for
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> in future releases. However, if there is room, would you be
>>>>>>>> wishing to include Windows and/or Mac installers?*
>>>>>>>> Yes, Windows installer.
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2015-11-25 17:01 GMT+00:00 Alex Mandel
>>>>>>>> <tech_dev at wildintellect.com <mailto:tech_dev at wildintellect.com
>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>> On 11/25/2015 08:24 AM, Marco Afonso wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I would like to submit a new project for OSGeo-Live.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > The project in case is MapIgniter2.
>>>>>>>> > Here is the home of the project:
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/taviroquai/mapigniter2
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I would like to know what are the requirements and
>>>>>>>> procedures to be
>>>>>>>> > accepted to integrate OSGeo Live.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marco,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reply to this thread with the answers to the following
>>>>>>>> questions:
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Apply
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The expanded details of adding new projects is documented
>>>>>>>> at:
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Add_Project
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Marco Afonso
>>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/ZDtQjm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> Software and Data Solutions Manager
>>>>>>> LISAsoft
>>>>>>> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
>>>>>>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> clement at igonet.fr
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>> Angelos Tzotsos, PhD
>>>> OSGeo Charter Member
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