[Live-demo] Translations and Proj4 documentation

Julien Moquet moquet.julien at gmail.com
Mon Jun 26 13:33:25 PDT 2017 

Hi Etienne, Erika, Thomas, and Christophe !

I am in charge of Proj4 overview & quickstart doc on OSGeo-Live, and I just
made a PR for the french translation of it.
And I found your email on a file Cameron sends to me.

Shall you help me to review my french translation in this PR :
https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/pull/236

I may be wrong on some technical words or stuff.

Regards,
Julien Moquet.


2017-06-22 23:43 GMT+02:00 Julien Moquet <moquet.julien at gmail.com>:

> I've got an experience in translating postgresql english documentation
> into french.
> And what we got, despite all considerations, is that a solo translator
> make a better quality work than many !
> So I let him go alone on it (his nickname is "gleu") (sarcastic lol).
>
> That's because there is a lot of vocabulary involving technical words that
> need experience on the tool, in the specific language.
> And a large documentation need to be homogeneous.
> May be transifex will help on this purpose, to share vocabulary.
>
> Regards,
>
> Julien.
>
> 2017-06-22 21:38 GMT+02:00 Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hello Julien,
>>
>> For opinions on translation, I defer mostly to people with more
>> experience that me. (I'm afraid I only speak English).
>>
>> Cheers, Cameron.
>>
>> On 21/6/17 8:00 am, Vicky Vergara wrote:
>>
>> Hello Julien.
>>
>> +1 to wait for transifex translations for new documents or completely
>> rewritten documents.
>>
>> and focus the efforts of the translators on the files with "not so many
>> changes".
>> So that, when moving to transifex the already translated strings, we know
>> are "almost" valid strings.
>>
>>
>> Vicky
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Julien Moquet <moquet.julien at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cameron,
>>>
>>> Yes, and I made a tweet out of it !
>>> Thank you for your help too.
>>>
>>> About the translations, as transifex will arrive soon (thanks to Vicky
>>> !), it should be a good idea to wait a bit more, and let them use and
>>> practice transifex rather than text on github. Vicky tell me how to add the
>>> french translation by myself before.
>>> What do you think of ?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Julien.
>>>
>>> 2017-06-20 22:45 GMT+02:00 Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi Julien,
>>>>
>>>> In case you missed it, I've reviewed your Proj4 Project Overview, pull
>>>> request is here:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/pull/216
>>>> Thanks for your work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17/6/17 7:19 am, Julien Moquet wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Cameron,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> Vicky has mentioned that she is helping her brother who is in
>>>> hospital, so she will be short on spare time for a bit.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for telling me. I am sure she'd be back soon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> I hope to have a chance to review your proj4 doc updates this
>>>> weekend, from a readability point of view.
>>>>
>>>> I'm done with proj4 on my side : doc & iso 10.5 are good for me.
>>>> I am about to pull request it.
>>>>
>>>> It would have been done whatever the release it is for. It wasn't so
>>>> much work to do.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Julien.
>>>>
>>>> 2017-06-16 22:22 GMT+02:00 Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Julien,
>>>>>
>>>>> Vicky has mentioned that she is helping her brother who is in
>>>>> hospital, so she will be short on spare time for a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope to have a chance to review your proj4 doc updates this weekend,
>>>>> from a readability point of view.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16/6/17 7:15 am, Julien Moquet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Vicky,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am downloading the 10.5 iso in order to make the test.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a look to pgRouting's quickstart, and made a very few change :
>>>>> are you agree to be proj4's quickstart's reviewer ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Julien.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-06-14 20:29 GMT+02:00 Julien Moquet <moquet.julien at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Vicky,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not in the incubating list as a human being, but metacrs is :
>>>>>> http://www.osgeo.org/incubator
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll have a look on pgRouting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Julien.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-06-14 3:02 GMT+02:00 Vicky Vergara <vicky at georepublic.de>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Julien,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now about the documentation
>>>>>>> I see you've worked on your fork, these are the differences:
>>>>>>> is that correct?
>>>>>>> https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/compare/master...juli
>>>>>>> en2512:master
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I dont think you are incubating project (I dont see it in the list
>>>>>>> of incubating projects), so this might not apply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .. image:: ../../images/logos/OSGeo_incubation.png
>>>>>>>   :scale: 100 %
>>>>>>>   :alt: OSGeo Project
>>>>>>>   :align: right
>>>>>>>   :target: http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/principles.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ​
>>>>>>> ​But I see you advanced a lot on the documentation 👍​
>>>>>>> ​You might as well do the PR so that the other members of the team
>>>>>>> can give you feed back.​
>>>>>>> ​Vicky.​
>>>>>>> ​​
>>>>>>> PS, in pgRouting   the documentation is done in such a way, to make
>>>>>>> minimal changes in further releases of OSGeo Live.
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Julien Moquet <
>>>>>>> moquet.julien at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Vicky,
>>>>>>>> My fork is up to date regarding the overview and quickstart:
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/julien2512/OSGeoLive-doc
>>>>>>>> Before making a pull request, I need to test it over the
>>>>>>>> OsGeoLive-10.5 (on wednesday or thursday).
>>>>>>>> Although, as I read the sources.list include in this version, I
>>>>>>>> don't really think the latest proj4 will be used.
>>>>>>>> The ubuntugis is used for that, and there is only the stable
>>>>>>>> 4.8.0-3 proj4 release to be used. See :
>>>>>>>> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu
>>>>>>>> /pool/main/p/proj/
>>>>>>>> and https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/blob/osgeolive_10_5/sourc
>>>>>>>> es.list.d/ubuntugis.list
>>>>>>>> That's why I finally don't have to change the proj4 release on its
>>>>>>>> overview.
>>>>>>>> I only bypass the metacrs and stuff.
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Julien.
>>>>>>>> 2017-06-11 18:11 GMT+02:00 Vicky Vergara <vicky at georepublic.de>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Julien, et all
>>>>>>>>> Maybe you can help me.
>>>>>>>>> It so happened that I sent another mail asking about what version
>>>>>>>>> to use, while reviewing today, I saw that I didn't send the mail to proj4.
>>>>>>>>> (my mail merge skills are not so good)
>>>>>>>>> So, here is the hand made mail:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all, With the upcoming OSGeo-Live 11.0 reboot, we will be
>>>>>>>>> re-inserting each project into the OSGeo-Live baseline once someone from
>>>>>>>>> each project has replied to confirm that they have reviewed docs and
>>>>>>>>> verified the application works as expected. Can you please:  0. Reply by
>>>>>>>>> return email to confirm that you have recieved this email and that you are
>>>>>>>>> able to check docs within the next 2 weeks. (sooner would be better if you
>>>>>>>>> can)  1. Reply to confirm the Project Overview is still accurate, or has
>>>>>>>>> been updated, (and version numbers are correct)  2. Reply to confirm you
>>>>>>>>> have run a recent OSGeo-Live version (the previous 10.5 version is ok), and
>>>>>>>>> updated the quickstart where needed.  We understand that version 4.9.2 of
>>>>>>>>> proj4 will be installed on OSGeo-Live 11.0 (Version 4.9.2 was installed on
>>>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live 10.5.)
>>>>>>>>> (all in one reply is ok)
>>>>>>>>> Full package status can be seen here:
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q5BaEgQtgw4O1bXyeWMl
>>>>>>>>> M8XtAOhUgcjZ7Y2O0FZc2H0/edit?hl=en_GB#gid=2014800150 Key
>>>>>>>>> Milestones ------------------- 18-Jun-2017    All docs reviewed
>>>>>>>>> and verified 21-Jun-2017    OSGeo-Live delivered to UAT (final
>>>>>>>>> application versions installed - Beta stage) 24-Jul-2017
>>>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live Final ISO 14-Aug-2017 FOSS4G 2017 Boston ... full
>>>>>>>>> schedule http://spreadsheets.google.com
>>>>>>>>> /ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNclE&hl=en_GB
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Cameron Shorter <
>>>>>>>>> cameron.shorter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Julien,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for offering to help with translations. I'm looping in
>>>>>>>>>> Niko and Vicky who are currently wrestling with trying to get transifex to
>>>>>>>>>> work. If you are familiar with it, you might be able to help them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/17 3:22 am, Julien Moquet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> >> It would be ok to say "Proj4 has been translated into other
>>>>>>>>>> languages, including proj4js, ..." > Agreed that metacrs is probably a bit
>>>>>>>>>> too ..
>>>>>>>>>> I am fully agree too.
>>>>>>>>>> And as OsGeoLive aims to be multilanguages, I can help on the
>>>>>>>>>> proj4 French Translation pages.
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> 2017-05-31 22:15 GMT+02:00 Even Rouault <
>>>>>>>>>> even.rouault at spatialys.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On jeudi 1 juin 2017 05:57:38 CEST Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > Yes, MetaCRS was a project gathering all the Proj4 projects
>>>>>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > However, it appears that proj4 is the only project in that
>>>>>>>>>>> grouping
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > which is active?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > Hence my thoughts are that "MetaCRS" should be dropped from
>>>>>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > as a concept and "Proj4" be used instead. It would be ok to
>>>>>>>>>>> say "Proj4
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > has been translated into other languages, including proj4js,
>>>>>>>>>>> ..."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > Your thoughts are welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding what is listed currently in metacrs :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - proj4js: no opinion
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - cs-map: no-opinion
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - geotiff/libgeotiff: heavily used underneath by GDAL in
>>>>>>>>>>> particular, mostly in maintaince mode, but can be treated as a technical
>>>>>>>>>>> dependency that doesn't require to be visible from users.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - proj4j: no opinion
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - spatialreference.org: not maintained in years. http://epsg.io/
>>>>>>>>>>> would be a possible replacement
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed that metacrs is probably a bit too ... meta for folks
>>>>>>>>>>> exploring OSGeo-Live content, so it could make sense exposing proj.4 as a
>>>>>>>>>>> standalone project.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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