[postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3
Paolo Corti
pcorti at gmail.com
Fri May 23 16:07:19 PDT 2008
Hi Regina
not sure if at 9.3 (still in beta since what i know) direct connect will be
removed (haven't read anywere about this), but if you will use it you will
still need the arcsde license if you want to edit the data. The license will
be checked from the server license (the server name has to be stored in a
environment variable)
This at least in 9.0, the version i am currently using at my office
Paolo
Obe, Regina DND\MIS wrote:
>
> Rob,
>
> Hadn't really given much thought to what metrics would be useful. For
> the most part most of the editing I do on spatial data are massive edits
> to push things one way or another (not individual edits). Can't really
> see where something like ArcGIS would play in that that I couldn't do
> with SFSQL statements. Although I would be more worried about ArcSDE
> getting in my way more than anything else.
>
> I guess I was thinking of looking at an overview of a 500,000 polygons
> layer or something of that sort. Or doing spatial and attribute filter
> queries.
>
> That's unfortunate that they took away the direct connect feature.
>
> From Dave Bouman's test - I was under the impression he could connect to
> PostGIS when turning the SDE service off. What exactly does that mean?
>
> I also wanted to try a direct connection - I stopped the ArcSDE service.
> Worked just fine - note the "service" name.
>
> Although now thinking about it maybe he meant - can use uDig (not
> necessarily ArcMap). What exactly Worked just fine means seems kind of
> vague.
>
> Thanks,
> Regina
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net
> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net] On Behalf Of Rob
> Tester
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:48 PM
> To: 'PostGIS Users Discussion'
> Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3
>
>
>
> Regina,
>
>
>
> From my talks with ESRI both developers and sales if you want PostgreSQL
> as a storage medium then you need SDE. If you want SDE, you need ArcGIS
> server. I have gone many rounds with all of them trying not to pull what
> is left of my hair out. Because, we needed a single desktop solution
> that allows us to connect a single user to a single instance of postgres
> without all the versioning that SDE adds, we really needed the direct
> connect, but according to everyone that I have talked to (as of today)
> we have to get SDE.
>
>
>
> It has become such a sticking point that our sales rep is trying to get
> us "special" pricing for SDE as a standalone product without all the
> server components we don't need (or an agreement not to use it in a
> multi-user environment). But as I also said it is easier for us (and
> probably more economical) to go the route of writing a drawing layer
> (like zigGIS) and then handling the updates ourselves writing directly
> to the database using the transactions that PostgreSQL gives us.
>
>
>
> As far as what license you would need (i.e. can you use your SQLServer
> license) you would have to ask ESRI, but I am sure I know their answer
> already (cha-ching!).
>
>
>
> I could run the metrics if one of the Zig developers would like to loan
> me a professional license to do it. Also, would have to know what
> metrics you would be interested in.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net
> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net] On Behalf Of Obe,
> Regina
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:24 AM
> To: PostGIS Users Discussion
> Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3
>
>
>
> Rob,
>
>
>
> Suddenly my warm and fuzzy feeling is not so warm and fuzzy anymore.
>
>
>
> Does the Direct connect require ArcGIS server as well (thought it came
> with ArcGIS Client API). I always thought from reports that Direct
> connect was a sucky implementation, but at least you could get away
> without paying the ArcGIS SDE license and you didn't have to have
> another ugly service running on your system.
>
>
>
> Also if you are running ArcGIS SDE for SQL Server, do you need yet
> another license for ArcGIS SDE for PostGIS. I presume you need an
> ArcGIS license for any server you have that is running SDE, but if you
> have a server running both SQL Server SDE and PostGIS, do you need 2
> licenses? (one for each SDE implementation).
>
>
>
> You can tell I'm a big fan of ArcGIS can't you :). I guess if I have to
> live with ArcGIS fanboys I'll try to make the best of it.
>
>
>
> Would be interesting to see some metrics between ZigGIS, SDE whatever
> and Direct Connect or are such metrics not allowed?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Regina
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net on behalf of Rob
> Tester
> Sent: Fri 5/23/2008 12:52 PM
> To: 'PostGIS Users Discussion'
> Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3
>
> Yes, an SDE license is required and that is now only available with
> ArcGIS
> server (cha-ching!).
>
> We plan to create our own display layer (similar to ZigGIS) and then
> create
> our own backend solution to maintain the database. This is easier for us
> since we use ArcGIS Engine for development and create our own tools
> outside
> of Arc desktop.
>
> The 'economical' route for those that want to use PostGIS and have edit
> capabilities inside ArcGIS desktop would be to use the ZigGIS
> professional
> which (from my understanding) implements an editable PostGIS layer in
> ArcGIS
> desktop.
>
> Rob.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net
> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net] On Behalf Of
> Sufficool, Stanley
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:40 AM
> To: PostGIS Users Discussion
> Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3
>
> Does all of this wonderful functionality require an SDE connector
> license?
>
> Does "direct connect" function without the SDE license?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net
> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net] On Behalf Of Rob
> Tester
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:14 AM
> To: 'PostGIS Users Discussion'
> Subject: RE: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3
>
>
> Okay, I have the current 9.3 rc1 with the SDE and PostGIS. I also have
> talked with some of the developers at ESRI and can tell you the
> following.
>
> Yes the support for PostGIS does exist. The geometries can be in WKB or
> SDE (we keep ours in WKB). According to the developers of SDE for
> PostGIS there isn't a large difference in the type anyway. But you can't
> use both at the same time, so you have to pick your poison.
>
> I have also patched ZigGIS so that it works with just the ArcGIS Engine
> which is what we use to develop our applications.
>
> Rob.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net
> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net] On Behalf Of
> Chris Hermansen
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:17 AM
> To: PostGIS Users Discussion
> Subject: Re: [postgis-users] PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server 9.3
>
> What I find immediately puzzling about this whole SDE - PostGIS thing is
>
> a comment that Someone Knowledgeable (Paul? Martin?) made a few weeks
> ago about an incompatibility between SDE's geometry and OGC or at least
> PostGIS's implementation of OGC.
>
> Sorry I can't provide more details, but does anyone recall this, and
> have a comment on the matter?
>
> Tim Bowden wrote:
>> On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 09:29 -0500, Stephen Woodbridge wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Bowden wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've read bits and pieces about PostgreSQL/PostGIS and ArcGIS Server
>
>>>> 9.3 and how they (might) inter-operate. Can anybody point me to a
>>>> concise summation of what's happening there? I understand ArcGIS
>>>> Server will be able to use PostGIS geometries, but at what cost
>>>> (performance and functionality)? Does this mean we can have ArcGIS
>>>> and open source clients editing the same geometries?
>>>>
>>>> ArcGIS Server 9.3 beta is in the wild, and I've read that the final
>>>> release is due "soon". Anyone have any idea if soon is measured in
>>>> weeks or months?
>>>>
>>> Tim,
>>>
>>> You might be interested in this link:
>>> http://blog.davebouwman.net/2008/05/12/PostGISRound2ReadingTheManual.
>>> aspx
>>>
>>> -Stephen Woodbridge
>>> http://imaptools.com/
>>>
>>
>> Hot stuff, thanks Stephen. Looks very promising. With a bit of luck
>> it will ease the transition to PostgreSQL/PostGIS for those wanting to
>
>> go down that route. I can think of a few who will be looking at this
>> over the next few years.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tim Bowden
>>
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