[postgis-users] [postgis-devel] PostGIS Known Issues : OEL7 to RHEL8 Upgrade

Tue Aug 29 05:56:18 PDT 2023

Hi Regina,

One quick question, as per doc regd EOL

The PostGIS project strives to support each minor version of PostGIS for
2-4 years after initial release and at the very least until the lowest
PostgreSQL version supported by the PostGIS minor version is EOL’d

For PostGIS 3.1(released in 2020), the support will end in 2024? or after
PostgreSQL 11 EOL i.e 2023(Next 2-3 months) ?

I was thinking should we go for minor version upgrade (3.1.9) or move
directly to major version (3.2 or 3.3) (will require more stringent tests)

Thanks,
Nikhil

On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 8:06 PM Nikhil Shetty <nikhil.dba04 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Regina, Greg,
>
> Thank you for the detailed explanation
>
> We will upgrade PostGIS to latest release and then migrate to RHEL8
>
> We will share with the community if there are any findings
>
> Thanks,
> Nikhil
>
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 19:37, Regina Obe <lr at pcorp.us> wrote:
>
>> Nikhil,
>>
>>
>>
>> As Greg had stated in a related post, I’d advice not using a micro we no
>> longer support.  I already pointed at all the issues with those here -
>> https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/postgis/postgis/src/branch/stable-3.1/NEWS
>>
>>
>>
>> The BIG known issue is we can’t help you if anything goes wrong cause we
>> don’t support PostGIS 3.1.2 and I honestly can’t remember that far back in
>> time (2 years ago).
>>
>> That’s 7 unsupported micro releases ago paired with a PostgreSQL version
>> that is 7 micro releases behind the latest stable PostgreSQL 13.  Yes I
>> suspect you’ll have lots of issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any issues you run into using PostGIS 3.1.2 instead of any of our
>> supported micros - https://postgis.net/development/source_code/
>>
>> are on you.  PostgreSQL group will have the same answer if you ask them
>> if you have issues with a micro they stopped supporting a while ago.
>>
>> If you report an issue to either PostGIS or PostgreSQL groups, our answer
>> will be  “Upgrade to the latest micro to make sure it’s not an issue we
>> already solved” or go ask the group (e.g. vendor)
>>
>> who is asking you to run an out of date version of software.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also have no idea whether you are packaging your own or getting it from
>> a distribution.
>>
>> Most of the issues that arise are how you package the dependencies, which
>> versions you are running with and how it conflicts with stuff you already
>> have installed or applications that depend on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m also unclear what version of PostGIS you are upgrading from.  Telling
>> me you are coming from RHEL7 tells me nothing since I have much newer minor
>> versions of PostGIS running on RHEL 7 systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> You will need to report at the very least:
>>
>>
>>
>> SELECT version(), postgis_full_version();
>>
>>
>>
>> From your RHEL7 system and if you are doing a pg_dump and pg_restore or
>> not.
>>
>>
>>
>> Generally running pg_dump / pg_restore is slowest way to upgrade but
>> least hassle of issues so easiest to go if you have few databases or a
>> small database.
>>
>> Doing a replication and then pg_upgrade after is the fastest way to
>> upgrade and what I do for databases in the high gigabytes or terabytes
>> (least amount of downtime), but there are lots of gotchas with that such as
>>
>> What I mentioned here:
>> https://www.bostongis.com/blog/index.php?/archives/273-Using-pg_upgrade-to-upgrade-PostgreSQL-9.3-PostGIS-2.1-to-PostgreSQL-11-2.5-on-Yum.html
>>
>>
>>
>> There are also often issues that arise with PROJ, but those should be
>> less so since you are not trying to upgrade on the same system.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>>
>> Regina
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* postgis-devel <postgis-devel-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> *On Behalf
>> Of *Nikhil Shetty
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 25, 2023 4:03 AM
>> *To:* PostGIS Users Discussion <postgis-users at lists.osgeo.org>
>> *Cc:* PostGIS Development Discussion <postgis-devel at lists.osgeo.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [postgis-devel] [postgis-users] PostGIS Known Issues :
>> OEL7 to RHEL8 Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Regina,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let us know if upgrading to RHEL8 with 3.1.2 would be an issue or
>> any other known issues with PostGIS
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nikhil
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 at 08:24, Nikhil Shetty <nikhil.dba04 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Regina,
>>
>>
>>
>> We do have plans to upgrade both Postgres and PostGIS to higher versions
>> but currently we are focusing on OS upgrade to RHEL8
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you think being on PostGIS 3.1.2 will impact OS upgrade? Are there any
>> known issues
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nikhil
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 at 23:41, Regina Obe <lr at pcorp.us> wrote:
>>
>> 3.1.2 is not the latest stable release for 3.1, so you really shouldn’t
>> be using that.  The 3.1.2 is before the PostgreSQL security vulnerability
>> patches for example and numerous bugs have been fixed since then.
>>
>>
>>
>> Latest 3.1 is 3.1.9
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://postgis.net/2023/05/PostGIS-3.3.3-3.2.5-3.1.9-3.0.9-Patch-Releases/
>>
>> News specific for 3.1 -
>> https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/postgis/postgis/raw/tag/3.1.9/NEWS
>>
>>
>>
>> I would say the same holds true for PostgreSQL 13.12 is the latest
>> stable, so not sure why you are trying to use a version several micro
>> updates behind
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/postgresql-154-149-1312-1216-1121-and-postgresql-16-beta-3-released-2689/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>>
>> Regina
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* postgis-devel [mailto:postgis-devel-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Nikhil Shetty
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2023 2:02 PM
>> *To:* PostGIS Development Discussion <postgis-devel at lists.osgeo.org>;
>> postgis-users at lists.osgeo.org
>> *Subject:* [postgis-devel] PostGIS Known Issues : OEL7 to RHEL8 Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Team,
>>
>>
>>
>> We want to know if there are any open/known issues that we may face
>> post-migration of the Postgres database  instance  with PostGIS enabled
>> from centos7/RHEL7/OEL7 to RHEL8.
>>
>>
>>
>> We came across one issue regarding collation(
>> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Locale_data_changes), the solution for
>> which is to reindex or use logical replication. This is not related to
>> PostGIS but still a concern causing index corruption
>>
>>
>>
>> In a similar way, we want to understand if there are any other known
>> issues related to PostGIS that should be taken care of
>>
>>
>>
>> PostgreSQL : 13.6
>>
>> PostGIS : 3.1.2
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>>
>> Nikhil
>>
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