[PROJ] LLMs are killing this community

[William Temperley]

To foster human engagement, perhaps PROJ could make itself
conceptually more accessible?

There could be a PROJ blog for example. I think there are a number of
articles just begging to be written, such as "Austrailia isn't where
you last put it".

Apart from being foundational, PROJ is really interesting, dealing
with natural phenomena like plate movement and the Glacial Isostatic
Adjustment.

Best,

Will Temperley

On Sat, 31 Oct 2026 at 17:50, Javier Jimenez Shaw via PROJ
<proj at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
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> (email sent to GDAL and PROJ mailing lists. Yes, this is inconvenient, because each one will answer in their own one).
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> Yes, it is happening.
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> You probably noticed it. If not, just go to the archive https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/gdal-dev/ and see how many messages were one year ago.
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> People is asking LLMs and not asking the community. We are sharing less. Each one (or at least a significant number) is being more in their silo... isolated. And that is not the way to make a community. To keep it alive.
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> It is a problem, because the community is what drives and maintain these products.
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> PROJ is more than 40 years old. GDAL more than 25. One key property of these products is its stability. We don't need quick development to compete in a capitalistic market. We don't play in that league. We don't need LLMs everywhere.
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> We are losing maintainers, and the remaining ones are not extremely motivated. That is like cancer for these projects.
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> So next time, instead of going blindly to your preferred LLM to ask something, come here, ask real humans, and help to keep this alive. Other people (including me) will read the answers and learn new things.
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> Also before doing a PR ask here (this is nothing new) to see if it makes sense, if there is somebody else with the same problem/idea, to see if there is a better option.
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> Enjoy talking with real humans. Even if you don't like to interact directly with people, you want them to be there. Contribute to keep this community alive.
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> People is complaining that young people and children is only using social media, and not interacting with real humans face to face. This is the same, or worse. LLMs are killing our communities, and we cannot wait.
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> Cheers
> Javier.
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