[Projects] OGC products list

Luis Bermudez lbermudez at opengeospatial.org
Fri Oct 24 08:31:35 PDT 2014 

Dear Cameron,

Sorry this took a little bit long to respond.

1) OSGeo claims that it "provides a legal and administrative framework to better support the ongoing development and promotion of open source geospatial data and technologies."  This I think includes the legal framework to sign the License Mark Agreement with OGC when requesting OGC certification.
http://www.osgeo.org/content/faq/foundation_faq.html

2) OSGeo, can be legally responsible, if the project accepts, for managing the compliance submission at OGC.

3) Any Open Source Geospatial project can "use" OSGeo as a legal entity to get OGC certified. Is up to OSGeo to decide if this applies to projects in incubation.

4) The certification logo will have the OSGeo name. Projects  that advertise their OGC compliance should use this logo. For example:
https://portal.opengeospatial.org/public_ogc/compliance/srv_ogc_compliance_badge.php?id=102&pid=1083

More line.

On Oct 16, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Luis,
> The nature of Open Source licenses is that the code can be owned by multiple people. This is the case for many OSGeo projects. I'm pretty sure PostGIS falls under that category, and I note that Boundless have registered PostGIS as implementing OGC standards.
> 
> So by that precedence, OSGeo would be able to list any of the Open Source Geospatial projects associated with OSGeo as implementing OGC standards, be they incubated, in incubation, or even just self registering in OSGeo Labs.
> Is that correct?

Yes.

> 
> Extending on that logic, I'd suggest that OSGeo should be able to pay to have an Open Source GIS project "certified OGC compliant", even though OSGeo doesn't own the code. For example, OSGeo could pay to have PostGIS certified, even though OSGeo doesn't legally own the code. (PostGIS is an OSGeo graduated project).
> Is that correct?

Yes.
> 
> Now moving onto OSGeo projects. OSGeo projects are already encouraged to make use of OGC standards. 
> I'd suggest that our graduation process should encourage projects to run and pass CITE certification tests for relevant standards (update to graduation process required).
> Part of project build and release processes should involve verifying CITE tests work. (Update to project processes required)
> The passing of CITE certification should be advertised in OSGeo marketing, such as the OSGeo-Live documentation (update to OSGeo-Live documentation template required).
> For OSGeo Graduated projects, I'd suggest that OSGeo should consider offering to pay for official CITE testing. (An incentive for projects to compete graduation). We would need to consider the business case behind this before proceeding. 

Great Ideas !

- Luis

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Director Compliance Program
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
The OGC: Making Location Count

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> 
> On 15/10/2014 1:14 pm, Luis Bermudez wrote:
>> Hi Cameron, et. al.
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 14, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Jeff, Jody,
>>> I agree that there is value in OSGeo projects being listed in the OGC portal, and that we should work out what OGC and OSGeo consider as a requirement for listing a project.
>>> 
>>> Looking at: http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration
>>> It seems that any application can be registered, free of charge?
>> 
>> Yes.
>> 
>>> To get to the next level of "certified" or "reference implementation" might cost more.
>> 
>> There is no cost if you set up a server (endpoint) for others to exercise for free.
>> 
>>> Luis, are you able to explain this further, or point at a URL which explains costs?
>> 
>> If you want to pay the fees
>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/compliance#trademark
>> in the case of OSGeo it will be $80 per year per product per standard
>> 
>>> 
>>> I agree with Jeff that we at OSGeo should work out a process for registering compliant products with the OGC. I suggest that this should become part of the OSGeo Incubation process, which in turn should be referenced from the OSGeo-Live processes.
>> 
>> And you need to update the database, for example every time a new project implements a new standard.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> I notice that MapCache (which I understand is associated with MapServer) has been registered separately with OGC, but MapCache is not referenced as one of our OSGeo projects at: http://osgeo.org . I suggest that we should do something about that.
>>> 
>>> We should be working out what criteria projects require before they can be listed under an OSGeo banner on OGC compliant products page. Only graduated projects? Graduated and Incubating projects? Any project listed on OSGeo-Live? Any project which has self registered to be part of OSGeo Labs? Any Open Source project with some geospatial functionality?
>> 
>> The issue is that we need an organization to be "legally" responsible for the project that is claiming compliance. This organization is the one that we will give the trademark license to use to OGC Certified logo. The question to ask is: Is OSGeo only legally responsible for graduated projects?
>> 
>>> I'd like to hear OGC's thoughts on this. Does the OGC have any quality requirements for listing applications?
>> 
>> Anyone can list an application in the OGC implementation database. We clean it periodically, for example to spot  fake organizations or products. This rarely happens.
>> 
>> Please let me know how else can I help.
>> 
>> - Luis
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.
>> Director Compliance Program
>> Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
>> The OGC: Making Location Count
>> 
>> Skype: bermudez_luis
>> Twitter: @berdez
>> Tel: +1 301 760 7323
>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15/10/2014 7:58 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>> On 2014-10-14 4:48 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for picking up the ball on this.  Actually I had added this topic
>>>>> to this Thursday's Board meeting agenda, a few weeks ago, but this new
>>>>> Projects list is indeed the best place to discuss this.  Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At FOSS4G Portland we discussed many issues with the OGC's Luis
>>>>> Bermudez. Here is an attempt of a summary, so hopefully we can all work
>>>>> together to get things set up here now:
>>>>> 
>>>>> - a new 'Open Source Geospatial Foundation' organization/account was
>>>>> created (visible at http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/)
>>>>> 
>>>>> - therefore we now have a generic 'osgeo' account with password.  The
>>>>> contact name is listed as myself and the contact email is
>>>>> info(at)osgeo.org.  My plan is/was to motion to the Board this Thursday
>>>>> to pass the account details to the OSGeo Secretary, so he/she can help
>>>>> manage/distribute these connection details to OSGeo Project officers
>>>>> whenever necessary.  (we can login at
>>>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration)
>>>>> 
>>>>> - goal is to have all OSGeo 'products' (our projects) listed under the
>>>>> one OSGeo organization.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - the OGC was very clear that only OSGeo officers (legal representatives
>>>>> of the foundation, and therefore legal authority over the
>>>>> 'product'/project) can submit implementations etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - we therefore made a push with the OSGeo Secretary recently to make
>>>>> sure our OSGeo Officers records are accurate (i.e. who exactly is an
>>>>> officer of OSGeo:
>>>>> http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html)
>>>>> 
>>>>> - MapServer and GDAL 'products'/projects were transferred from Daniel
>>>>> Morissette's account into OSGeo's organization account, with the help of
>>>>> Luis and Daniel at FOSS4G Portland.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - to answer your questions, this is the process we must all figure out
>>>>> what is best and makes the most sense, but personally I believe to get
>>>>> other projects like GeoServer added to the list, the project's officer
>>>>> should contact the OSGeo Secretary (info@) initially, and then the
>>>>> secretary will provide account access for submissions etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course I forgot to mention that in the case of GeoServer, the records are currently being maintained by Boundless, and a transfer of sorts would have to occur.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway I'm interested to hear yours and all project officer's opinions.  I can then bring this to the OSGeo Board on Thursday.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some unresolved issues:
>>>>> 
>>>>> - there are costs involved in submissions, who covers these costs?
>>>>> 
>>>>> - how do we handle projects/products that are in Incubation? (such as
>>>>> Rasdaman)  Are Incubation projects, and their lead contact, considered
>>>>> as legal authority /officer of the OSGeo foundation?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let's all work through this together :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> -jeff
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-10-14 3:21 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>>>> OSGeo is now listed as an organisation by the OGC (see
>>>>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Questions:
>>>>>> - Anyone know how we get GeoServer added to that list?
>>>>>> - Are we in position to run CITE tests and get implementations certified?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>> 
> 
> -- 
> Cameron Shorter,
> Software and Data Solutions Manager
> LISAsoft
> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
> 
> P +61 2 9009 5000,  W www.lisasoft.com,  F +61 2 9009 5099

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