[Qgis-community-team] joomla-version

Otto Dassau otto.dassau at gmx.de
Wed Jun 4 15:08:59 EDT 2008 

Hi Stephan, 

joomla 1.0.15 is now installed, so we can start. I added a .htaccess file to the
new website. It is not really a secret, but shall prevent that people think
they are at the official qgis website before we really switch from qgis.org to
qgis.osgeo.org.

htaccess user: qgisweb
htaccess pw: qgisweb

Website:
http://qgis.osgeo.org/

Administration:
http://qgis.osgeo.org/administrator/

@Stephan: I added a joomla account for you (the same as for the old joomla). So
you can have a first look. I send you more information tomorrow and will start
with a backup solution.

regards,
 Otto

On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:25:14 +0200
Stephan Reber <stephan.reber at sr-gis.de> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> let's start the migration. I think Joomla is a good solution for
> everyone who is working on the website.
> 
> Yes, I am experienced in working on Linux. I tried Suse (I think it was
> 7.x) years ago without real pleasure, but I tried to work with the
> following versions from time to time. Now I use Ubuntu for nearly two
> years. But Fedora is quite new to me.
> Maybe you can use the same data for my account as we used for Jommla.
> 
> Tim, thanks for template tutorial. I'm not sure to create a new
> template. But for updating an existing template it is also nice to know
> what's going on.
> 
> Regards
> Stephan
> 
> Otto Dassau schrieb:
> > Hi, 
> >
> > qgis.osgeo.org is now prepaired. I know we could discuss more, but I think
> > we have a good and extendable solution with joomla, so I decided now to
install
> > a joomla 1.0 suitable for the server, because I want to start the migration
> > process now.
> >
> > Stephan I guess I will add an account for you on that server so you can
directly
> > work on the templates, etc if necessary. Are you experienced working on
linux
> > (fedora)?
> >
> > regards,
> >  Otto
> >
> > On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:07:02 +0200
> > Stephan Reber <stephan.reber at sr-gis.de> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Hi Otto,
> >>
> >> allright, let us use joomla 1.0. I wasn't sure about the used PHP
> >> version. So this is a good point for the decision to use 1.0. I think,
> >> the support for this version is going on for a longer time, since there
> >> are many websites using the 1.0 version and the  joomla development
> >> seems not very fast.
> >>
> >> So, I think, we can install joomla. The used php and mysql are a good
> >> choice for a stable website with joomla 1.0. Do we have ftp-access to
> >> the server? And what else is to do for the installation, especially
> >> because the support for our server is pretty limited and small.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Stephan
> >>
> >> PS: And Thomas, thanks for the offered support.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Otto Dassau schrieb:
> >>     
> >>> Hi Thomas, 
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:26:52 +0200
> >>> Thomas Becker <thomasgeo at gmx.de> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> Hi Otto and Stephan,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am quite new to the community and have no background on the decisions 
> >>>> made to use Joomla as the CMS for the web page. Personally I started to 
> >>>> use Joomla 1.0 some what two years ago and everything went fine until 
> >>>> the page got hacked due to a lack of security in a gallery module.
> >>>>
> >>>> As far as I know you will highly run into problems if you want to have a 
> >>>> flashy page. But thats something I doubt! Joomla 1.0 and 1.5 as well 
> >>>> coming with many possibilities to present the content in a nice way.
> >>>>
> >>>> According to the security I was reading a lot in the community pages and 
> >>>> it always comes down to a well established htaccess file. Everything 
> >>>> related to third party modules is your risk.
> >>>>
> >>>> Although I really like Joomla, have you ever been thinking about using 
> >>>> Typo3? I know it takes more resources at the surfer side but this is 
> >>>> secure. I don't know how they managed to do this but they have a check 
> >>>> system running and separate trusted and non-trusted extensions.
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> Typo3 is a very powerful as far as I know, but our web team is experienced
> >>>       
> > in
> >   
> >>> using joomla so it doesn't make sense to switch to another CMS, especially
> >>> because we also made good experiences with joomla so there is no need to
> >>> for change AFAICS.
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> When I was talking with the Joomla community about a system like this, 
> >>>> they have becoming mad. It takes to much effort to establish a system 
> >>>> like this and who should check all the code...
> >>>>
> >>>> On the other hand somehow it must work, when you see who is using Joomla:
> >>>>
> >>>> * Belgian Locale Police
> >>>> * United Nations Regional Information Centre
> >>>>
> >>>> and so on.
> >>>>
> >>>> Question is also multi language support of the web page. Are you 
> >>>> intended to do so?
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> This is a good question, I was also thinking about that and would vote for
> >>>       
> > it,
> >   
> >>> because the new web presence is going to present only clear and limited
> >>> information that won't change every week. Therefore it would be great to
> >>>       
> > have at
> >   
> >>> least the oportunity to translate these texts in different languages...
what
> >>>       
> > do
> >   
> >>> others think about that?
> >>>  
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> I have been talking with the Joomla guys on the Linux Tag in Berlin some 
> >>>> days ago and they have been pointing me on a new component called Nooku 
> >>>> which is highly integrated into the Joomla 1.5 framework. Nevertheless 
> >>>> multilanguage support is also part of Typo3
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> I have made good experiences with joomfish, it works on 1.0 without any
> >>> problems. nooku seems to be the alternative for 1.5 - right?
> >>>  
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> However, if the decision is made for Joomla I would like to offer you 
> >>>> some of my time to support you. I am not so familiar in building 
> >>>> templates or adjust them either in Joomla or Typo, but I am working 
> >>>> already quite some time as an author on both systems.
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> great Thomas, thanks a lot for your offer and I am sure we will find some
> >>>       
> > tasks
> >   
> >>> for you :-). BTW - maybe you haven't read the recent mails about the qgis
> >>> documentation. We would also need some volunteers to update the manual
> >>>       
> > sections
> >   
> >>> according to some just define style conventions by Tara. And because I
know
> >>>       
> > you
> >   
> >>> work with latex this might be interesting for you as well?
> >>>
> >>> please have a look at the archive:
> >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-community-team/2008-June/000105.html
> >>>
> >>> best regards, 
> >>>  Otto
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> Cheers, Thomas
> >>>>
> >>>> Otto Dassau schrieb:
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>>>> Hi (Stephan), 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I just found that we (probably) get in trouble using joomla 1.5, because
> >>>>>           
> > the
> >   
> >>>>> "new" server only provides PHP 5.0.4 and this causes various problems as
> >>>>>           
> > far
> >   
> >>>>> as I found on several web pages. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> e.g.: The joomla 1.5 installation guide says: "Do not use PHP 4.3.9, PHP
> >>>>> 4.4.2 or PHP 5.0.4" -> http://help.joomla.org/content/view/1938/310/ 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For joomla 1.0 everything seems to be fine. As far as I found out the
> >>>>>           
> > server
> >   
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>> is
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>>> a fedora core 4, php 5.0.4, mysql 4.1.20. This is like joomla 1.0 not
new
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>> but
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>>> stable, so it might fit very well? ;-).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So if you don't mind too much, I would propose to use latest 1.0 version
> >>>>>           
> > for
> >   
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>> the
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>>> web pages, because this would be secure, cause less work and probably
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>> trouble,
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>>> especially because there are other projects (GRASS,GDAL,...) using the
> >>>>> ressources, too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you agree (especially Stephan), I would be happy and can start to
> >>>>>           
> > prepair
> >   
> >>>>> everything :). Otherwise I can of course contact the SAC and try to find
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>> another
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>>> solution. But they already told me, that thei support for our server is
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>> pretty
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>>> limited and small from their side.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> kind regards,
> >>>>>  Otto
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:57:08 +0200
> >>>>> Stephan Reber <stephan.reber at sr-gis.de> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have searched for information about the two joomla versions. The main
> >>>>>> security problems of joomla in general are extensions and wrong
> >>>>>> settings. This is indepedant from the used version. Here is a overview
> >>>>>> of the points about security and the support I found.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Joomla1.0:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     * long time experience with security problems
> >>>>>>     * stable
> >>>>>>     * many extensions with experience about their security
> >>>>>>     * only security patches for a certain time (depends on how long 1.0
> >>>>>>       is widely used, there isn't a deadline yet)
> >>>>>>     * there is no update to newer versions of PHP and MySQL in the
future
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jooma1.5
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     * new security architecture (short time experience)
> >>>>>>     * stable
> >>>>>>     * fewer extensions (unsecure?)
> >>>>>>     * support for a longer time
> >>>>>>     * PHP5 works good, PHP4 may cause some problems (performance,
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>             
> >>> stability)
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>>>>     * there will be support of newer versions of PHP and MySQL
> >>>>>>     * with the update to 1.6 (in the last quarter of 2008) there will
be
> >>>>>>       a access control list and only support of PHP5.2+.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I hope, this will help us with the decision. I tried to be neutral,
> >>>>>> though I argumented for the newer version in my last emails. But it is
> >>>>>> not so important for me which version we use, as long as the website
> >>>>>> works fine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>> Stephan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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