[Qgis-community-team] [SeasonOfDocs] QGIS writing tasks need help
Cameron Shorter
cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Tue Apr 23 15:22:27 PDT 2019
Hi Bethel and Harrissou,
Thank you for sharing your insights into the QGIS community. This is really
helpful feedback, and I'll update our Ideas page within the next day or two
to incorporate some of your suggestions. The challenges you are facing and
suggested solutions are eerily similar to those described within our
OSGeoLive and GeoNetwork communities. So I think we are well positioned to
focus on cross-project strategies.
I suggest that you both join our OSGeo SeasonOfDocs email list, where we
will be discussing these topics in more depth. (That offer extends to
anyone else lurking on this list and interested to monitor progress or take
part.) https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/seasonofdocs
If you would like to continue contributing to the initiative, maybe as a
writer, or mentor, or domain expert, then please also add your name to our
"List of People Keen to be Involved":
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Season_of_Docs_Ideas_2019#Key_roles_sought
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 03:32, Bethel Ugochukwu Ukazu <ugobethu21 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> i have tried to provide some thoughts in text of Harrissou's email (i
> beg your grace and indulgence to do this).
>
> if for any reason my contributions are out of place , i mean does not
> follow the discussion. please pardon me, i may have missed out due to many
> emails i receive from the group.
>
> regards
>
> Bethel
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2019, 2:44:04 p.m. GMT+1, Harrissou <
> delazj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Cameron and all,
>
> I did not actively follow the discussion nor fully understand how the GSOD
> program will be organized, what actually can a senior technical writer
> provide as expertise but I'm already glad to see the interest of the wider
> OSGeo community in improving and learning from QGIS doc. It's nice to read
> comments from others than the Core QGIS writers or issue reporters. I don't
> know whether what I will raise below can be handled by the program and did
> not take the time to structure my thoughts (sorry) but I'd like to share
> things we do or want to do, and hear from other projects how they do.
>
>
> Cameron, I share the points you compiled below, and thanks to all of you
> for your contributions.
> I'd simply have expected that the step by step chapter is now accessible
> to beginners. We made an in-depth review few months ago, with (I may be
> wrong) the help of a writer and a "beginner". But still if you don't have
> enough potential contributors to test the process and tell you where they
> struggle to step in, it's hard for advanced contributors to find the right
> level to lower the barrier. That doesn't mean that what we did is perfect;
> if there's a way to improve and someone can help, it's more than welcome.
> Nick, for reference, last year Alexandre Neto made a video for first
> contribution to docs [0]; we should have added to the guidelines but
> forgot. It may need some cleanup but could maybe help you in your plan.
>
>
>
> We, at QGIS, but I guess it's the same for all our projects, are lacking
> writers. Even call for paid writers failed in the past. I don't know
> whether a senior writer can help us understand why and find how to fix it
> but, it could be nice...
>
> I've been contributing to QGIS doc for years and one thing I miss is a
> cap, a direction. What are the priorities? So I just adress "what I want,
> when I can". Or when I catch some requests on the mailing lists. Might not
> be different for others, I think. Until recently, we had a contributor
> asking what she should first focus on and no clear answer arose so yes, if
> someone can help us to get a strategy of writing, I'd be glad. And also
> define schedules, plan when releases should be better done. We do it
> greatly IMHO with the application, it could be nice to have the same for
> docs release. Experience from other projects may help here.
>
> yes, i agree with this strategy or long term plan, lets say 2 year plan. i
> read emails always from the group , often times discussions on what to do
> are Brownian in nature, many times about what one thinks or feels. i may be
> wrong in my submission, but sincerely, it gets me to wonder if what the
> direction is for the group and what needs to be achieved.
> At the Level which QGIS is now, structure and institutional framework is
> expedient, urgent and not to be compromised at this time, if limitless
> boundaries and impossibilities is the goal for this generation Qgisers.
>
> i understand the concepts of volunteers and interests around QGIS, but
> their needs to be a visionary leadership or lets say a kind of structure
> may be a cohort that gathers all our ideas together and fashion out clearly
> where we must go, how and when .
>
> Richard, Cameron, Matteo, Harry + some others, could take the lead in
> this initiative of putting up a SMART strategy
>
> An online meetings could be a start point to put these ideas together. But
> first the 4+ of you may have to put like a first draft where others could
> build on.
>
> please not that this would be done without compromising the volunteer,
> individual responsibility nature of Qgisers
>
>
> One of the strengths of QGIS Docs is the tightness we are building with
> the devs. For example, most of the dialogs (should) have a help button that
> opens online the feature page in the corresponding language of the user
> manual if available. In the future, the docs would be available locally.
>
> i agree with you on this
>
> Also, Most of our 400 issue reports are automatically generated by commits
> in QGIS code so we directly have what we should write about in the doc
> repo. But this becomes a weakness when:
> - there's not enough people to write (increasing number of issues),
> - there's no cleanup for duplicate issues (because of backports) or
> unrelated issues (eg API matters) --- we try to fix these ones
> - or the commit message is not clear enough for writers (who may not have
> the same technical knowledge as the developer). If we can get some clues on
> how to make devs write more detailed description in noob language, big +1
>
> I think that triaging the issue tracker and setting priorities and
> deadlines may greatly help in telling where a senior writer can help (in
> writing, I mean). I'm not sure any of us (at least me, I do not) have the
> actual big picture of the issue reports and can categorize them. We already
> have the necessary tags but now we need to use them. So this would be my
> task 1.
>
> truly , the big picture is missing and there is need to create one.
>
> As Richard or Matteo mentioned, we are also reviewing the global
> formatting/rendering of the docs. Whether we move to readthedocs. In the
> meantime, we think it could be nice to improve the rendering of the
> Processing algorithms docs [1], looking for something more compact and easy
> to read. An initial work is done [2] and if we can get more help to finish
> the prototype and apply it could be nice.
>
> Another issue we can have is that most of us are not English native
> speakers. So a review of the docs from an English speaker is more than
> desired. But I'm not sure if for this, we necessarily need the person to be
> a senior writer.
>
> how about having interns to do this work, may be for some of us who are
> researchers or working in organisations, on topics related to the ones
> raised here. May be there is a chance.
> should we have a structure, it would be easy to appreciate fellows who may
> support in working on these stuff. For example , a simple thank you letter
> with signatures of colleagues on this group may go a long
> way.....hahhahahah..... quite ambitions, i guess [image: Emoji] ....
>
> The training materials (dataset and instructions) are also an important
> item. We are still working on updating to QGIS 3 and I'm happy if there's a
> demand (/an offer?) to structure and join efforts on this area. But to be
> honest, I'm more interested in translatable docs (because I'm not in an
> English working environment and "my" community wouldn't reuse it otherwise)
> than building an English only infrastructure. So it could be nice if we
> keep the translatability (?) in mind. Maybe, another topic.
>
> Sorry for the lengthy message. I hope there are information that clarify
> what we do, that you can pick and improve our submission. But whatever the
> result for GSOD, I think there are a lot of ideas in this thread we should
> try to implement in the long run.
>
> i am wondering, if there is some form of documentation for ideas that
> come out of discussions in this group. i think its important to have these
> transitions and evolutionary processes documented. A few years from now,
> there may be need to refer back to these, may be for posterity [image:
> Emoji].
> which goes back to my submission for some form of structure.
>
>
> [0]
> https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/wiki/20th-Developer-Meeting-in-Madeira,-February-2018#making-your-first-pull-request-to-qgis-documentation
> [1] eg
> https://docs.qgis.org/3.4/en/docs/user_manual/processing_algs/qgis/vectorgeometry.html
> [2] https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/pull/2770
>
> PS: Since people were asking, the best way to contact the QGIS Doc team is
> to use the dedicated list qgis-community-team at lists.osgeo.org as
> mentioned at
> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html#qgis-community-team
>
> Regards,
> Harrissou Sant-anna
>
>
> Le 22 avril 2019 15:03:35 GMT+02:00, Cameron Shorter <
> cameron.shorter at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> I've updated the QGIS Season of Docs ideas, based on ideas on this list so
> far. Thanks for your ideas, especially thanks to Andrew for writing it out
> so clearly.
>
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Season_of_Docs_Ideas_2019#QGIS
>
> QGIS, a desktop GIS application, is one of the OSGeo Foundation’s flagship
> projects with a broad developer and documentation community. QGIS core
> documentation is comprehensive and there is a diverse ecosystem of
> organisations and people who have created QGIS workshops and training
> courses. However, it is challenging for documenters to keep up with QGIS’s
> rapid innovation, to sustainably keep the breadth of documentation current,
> consistent, and targetted.
>
> Season of Docs ideas for QGIS include the following:
>
> - Get assistance from writers to create a simple, and clear
> "quickstart". WHY? Because 11 of the 26 threads started in 2019 on the
> Australian user group are related to getting started, loading and exporting
> data. People indicate that they have referred to the documentation but are
> still lost.
> - Review the structure of current documentation and provide clear
> separation of tasks. WHY? Because there is a "Getting started" section in
> the user manual and also a separate documentation section on "Getting
> started with GIS" - Which route does a new user take? And is the best place
> for Getting started material to be nested in other material? A writer could
> assist with by defining the best practice structure.
> - Writers to review the language and readability of the QGIS "Step by
> Step contribution" (This is documentation for making documentation
> contributions). -
> https://docs.qgis.org/3.4/en/docs/documentation_guidelines/first_contribution.html -
> WHY? This guide walks a user through making a contirbution to the QGIS
> documentation. I don't believe the method for maintaining documentation
> will change, so let's reduce the contributor’s barrier to entry by making
> this section so accurate and clear that anyone can pick it up.
> - Triage and then manage QGIS documentation issue tracker. Audit the
> status of QGIS documentation. Publicly share status, strategy, and vision
> which will help volunteers know how to engage, and what impact they can
> provide.
> - There are a number of geospatial training courses which cover a
> range of topics. Merging all these courses into a central source is not
> logical or desirable. However, there would be value in consolidating the
> geospatial and QGIS basics into a central base. This will be challenging,
> but valuable, and would require both excellent writing and coordination
> skills. Some of the content authors are already committed to sharing and
> supporting such an initiative. Others will likely come on board once
> momentum grows.
>
> Resources:
>
> - QGIS Documentation <https://www.qgis.org/en/docs/index.html>
> - QGIS Documentation Issues
> <https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/issues>
> - University-level lectures and labs, created by GeoAcademy
> <http://spatialquerylab.com/foss4g-academy-curriculum/> (based on the
> older QGIS 2.18)
> - Environmental QGIS training and videos
> <https://www.gaiaresources.com.au/qgis-vids/> from Gaia Resources
> (based on the older QGIS 2.18)
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 08:22, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm struggling to compile QGIS writing tasks for SeasonOfDocs which are as
> compelling as Jo and Maria have put together for GeoNetwork:
>
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Season_of_Docs_Ideas_2019#GeoNetwork
>
> I'm hoping that those of you who have used QGIS docs can list strengths
> and then be fully transparent about its weaknesses. If we don't have much
> of a problem, something requiring senior technical writer expertise, then
> why would Google want to help us? There will be plenty of worthy projects
> for Google to select from.
>
> We have 3 days (till 23 April) to respond. Could you please help by
> brainstorming ideas in this email thread. I'll commit to compiling them
> into https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Season_of_Docs_Ideas_2019#QGIS .
> (Although feel free to update it yourself.)
>
> Ideas I'm considering based on the conversations so far:
>
> * There appears to be a high technical barrier to entry which makes it
> hard for new users to engage with improving QGIS docs. Is this so? What
> writing tasks could we put in place to address this?
>
> * OSGeoLive has successfully attracted authors from ~ 50 projects to write
> Quickstarts and Project Overviews based on clear templates and writing
> guides. Would a template/writing guide be useful for QGIS? For what doc
> types? Workshops? Tutorials? (I'm suspecting these to be in the sweet spot
> for us, as they could be rolled out through OSGeoLive to other projects).
>
> * "*Training materials are generally tailored to a customer, their
> technical use case, using sample maps from the customer's location in the
> world. This makes it difficult to develop consolidated material that works
> for everyone". *However*, "there's a really big need for standard
> training materials- and also if possible the kind of training materials
> that could be used for schools, to try to break the monopoly that certain
> proprietary companies have on that area."* How can we define this task
> more clearly?
>
> * The GeoNetwork team have provided an honest statement about the quality
> and completeness of their documentation. Does QGIS documentation have
> similar limitations? (My initial skim over docs suggest that the quality
> might be better, but I could be wrong.)
>
> * QGIS has had a major feature update from 2.18 to 3.4.x. I suspect we
> should talk about this? What documentation still needs to be updated or
> improved as a consequence?
>
> * With a rapidly innovating product like QGIS, with large documentation
> base, we could be running into challenges around maintenance and
> sustainability. Do you consider this a problem? If so, can you provide
> examples we can reference? Do you have suggestions on writing tasks to
> address this?
>
> * Matteo mentions an issue tracker with over 400 writing tasks in it. How
> do we resource the management of these issues? We likely won't be allocated
> a *senior* writer to action such a list (Google's target for this
> initiative), but we might get a junior writer. This might not be supported
> until future Google writing initiatives, based on our identified need for
> such a role.
>
> * I'm aware that there are multiple QGIS training courses on the web, some
> which are free and open. Could you identify those that a tech writer should
> consider. You can list in the "Resources:" list in
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Season_of_Docs_Ideas_2019#QGIS . I notice
> that much of the training on the web is still based on version 2.18. Should
> we suggest effort be dedicated to updating them to 3.4?
>
> ----
>
> Please respond to this email with your ideas. I'll really appreciate the
> help.
>
> What follows are the emails and ideas I've based the above thoughts upon.
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
> ----
>
>
>
> Matteo's suggestions:
>
> - Pyqgis cookbook code snipped are now automatically tested, meaning
> that every new contribution will be rock solid and code snippets can be
> taken "as they are" and pasted in QGIS
> - Change the doc style to the more readable Read-The-Docs vanilla
> theme (fully supported by sphinx). A live example here
> https://qgis.org/test/en/.
> - Besides from contents, writing documentation isn't easy because of
> the complex framework (sphinx, git, github, etc). Improving the WYSIWYG
> github editor would be a great enhancement
> - Cleaning the issue tracker in github (> 400 issue now) in many
> different ways: verifying issues, closing duplicates, make order in the
> labels, etc
>
> On 12/4/19 2:46 pm, Andrew Jeffrey wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I agree with Jo's respone to Camerons question.
>
> Training materials are generally tailored to a type of customer and I this
> believe makes it difficult to develop consolidated material that works for
> everyone. The similarities I do see in training material though is the
> basics, the kind of basics that are taught to new users like those in the
> education space.
>
> As Jo mentioned there is potential here to break a monolopy in this space,
> and get exposure to new users early in their development. What makes this
> even better is a solid training material base owned by the community can be
> used by anyone creating training material, providing a consistent training
> base whether you learn in your own time online or go to trainer "A".
> Effectively consolidating the "QGIS beginner" training material.
>
> Regards
>
> Andrew
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 2:21 AM Jo Cook <jo.k.cook at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> HI All,
>
> <snip>
>
> Secondly- Cameron's question about QGIS courses- we also run QGIS training
> courses in the UK, and I think there's a fairly wide market, both
> geographically, and in the types of customer. We are focused on integration
> with cloud technologies, such as delivering QGIS via AWS AppStream, and
> less on teaching people to use all of the functionality, for example for
> higher-end processing and analysis. Having said that, I think there's a
> really big need for standard training materials- and also if possible the
> kind of training materials that could be used for schools, to try to break
> the monopoly that certain proprietary companies have on that area.
>
> Regards
>
> Jo
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 2:27 PM Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the introduction Nick. One thing that puzzles me is that there
> appears to be a lot of people setting up QGIS training courses and I would
> have thought it would be beneficial of these separate initiatives were to
> become more consolidated.
>
> I'd expect that consolidating workshops would be a very valuable task, as
> it would focus the community together.
>
> It would also be a suitably challenging task to bring multiple threads
> together, and something that would be worthy of a senior technical writer's
> expertise.
>
> What are people's thoughts on the current state of available QGIS training
> courses? Is there potential to consolidate? Or is everyone tailoring to
> their unique user base?
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
>
> On 10/4/19 10:13 pm, Nick Bearman wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> I'm keen to learn how to contribute more effectively, particularly to QGIS
> documentation, and I am also looking to run a workshop on how to contribute
> to OS documentation at upcoming FOSS4G UK event in Edinburgh, UK in Sept.
>
> I am familiar with Git/GitHub and Markdown. The RST format of the QGIS
> Documentation site sometimes eludes me! I look forward to working with you
> all.
>
> --
> Cameron Shorter
> Technology Demystifier
> Open Technologies and Geospatial Consultant
>
> M +61 (0) 419 142 254
>
>
>
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>
> M +61 (0) 419 142 254
>
>
>
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