[Qgis-community-team] Fwd: [Qgis-voting-members] [Qgis-user] Call For Community Voting members ballot
Marco Bernasocchi
marco at qgis.org
Fri Nov 22 20:16:50 PST 2024
let's continue the discussion on the psc list.
Cheers Marco
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From: Marco Bernasocchi <marco at qgis.org>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024, 23:07
Subject: Re: [Qgis-voting-members] [Qgis-user] Call For Community Voting
members ballot
To: Stefanos Natsis <uclaros at gmail.com>
Cc: Raymond Nijssen <r.nijssen at terglobo.nl>, QGIS Community <
qgis-community-team at lists.osgeo.org>, <qgis-voting-members at lists.osgeo.org>,
Germán Carrillo <carrillo.german at gmail.com>
Hi all and thanks for discussing this.
Stefanos, I understand you point but I evenmore trust that our community
members have the integrity to seriously take the responsibility they have.
Harrissou has done this in an exemplary manner for many years. I trust
Germán will do the same. Isabel which you also mention is not a country
voting representative since over a year.
Honorary members are defacto mutually exclusive to community voting members
as these are personal roles.
When Nyall and Harrissou became honorable members, they were removed from
the community voting members.
We probably should clarify this in the statutes
The OSGeo vote is true, but honestly quite a moot point.
Nevertheless, if this should be discussed more in depth, i recommend
getting the discussion going and be ready with a proposal for the 2025 AGM
as what is being discussed here requires a change in the bylaws.
Also as Régis said, the reality is much more complicated than you seem to
estimate, being the country representative is not simply showing up for a
vote and forget it until next year. It takes time and commitment because
you're basically running a vote to get a decision on what you should as Ray
nicely explained.
Of course, if this matter arising would come in 2025 it would be voted
upon, but personally I think this would be a step in the wrong direction
signaling untrust in the country voting members representatives.
@Germán Carrillo <carrillo.german at gmail.com> no need to step down from
anything right now as your and Harrissou's situation is completely correct
per our statutes.
Cheers Marco
On Fri, 22 Nov 2024, 09:57 Germán Carrillo via Qgis-voting-members, <
qgis-voting-members at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks for raising this topic.
>
> First of all, thanks to all of you for being elected as community voting
> member. It means a lot to me because I've loved this project and its
> community since almost a couple of decades ago!
>
> On the other hand, I agree with making it explicit that a community member
> cannot be representing a user group at the same time for the sake of
> transparency and diversity.
> If I had to step down as user group representative in order to accept the
> new community voting membership, I'd be willing to do so.
> Please let me know if/when that's official/agreed, so that I can ask the
> Colombian user group to communicate a new representative person to the PSC.
>
> Regards,
>
> Germán
>
>
> El vie, 22 nov 2024 a las 9:12, Raymond Nijssen via Qgis-voting-members (<
> qgis-voting-members at lists.osgeo.org>) escribió:
>
>> Maybe we can make it more transparent by listing what the user groups
>> have voted for, together with the election results?
>>
>> For us in NL, they should not be secret anyway, as they have been
>> discussed online in our chat group. And then "my" users can see that I
>> really voted for what we agreed on.
>>
>> Also save me from the struggle of being integer! ;)
>>
>> Raymond
>>
>>
>> On 22-11-2024 12:18, Matthias Kuhn via Qgis-voting-members wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > According to
>> > https://www.qgis.org/community/organisation/#country-voting-members
>> > <https://www.qgis.org/community/organisation/#country-voting-members>
>> > the country voting members should represent the interest of the country
>> > group and not their personal one, whereas as a community voting member
>> > someone represents their personal opinion. I do see some potential
>> > conflict of interest, but not a strong one as the two votes represent
>> > different entities (through the same messenger).
>> >
>> > A question with respect to operation of such a potential rule would be
>> > if being a country voting member would exclude someone from also
>> > becoming a community voting member. Or if they will need to step back
>> > from their country voting member position and the user group will need
>> > to elect someone new. The first option would reduce the motivation for
>> > someone to become a country voting member (because it rules out
>> becoming
>> > community voting member). The second option will require that the
>> > country user group receives a timeframe to organize a new election.
>> >
>> > Matthias
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 11:38 AM Andreas Neumann via
>> Qgis-voting-members
>> > <qgis-voting-members at lists.osgeo.org
>> > <mailto:qgis-voting-members at lists.osgeo.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I agree with Stefanos.
>> >
>> > People shouldn't have two votes - both as a user group and a
>> > community voting member. They should be exclusive.
>> >
>> > BTW: Isabel isn't the chair of the Swiss QGIS user group anymore.
>> > She handed over to François Voisard 1-2 years ago. I hope that
>> > François received the voting invitation and not Isabel. I will
>> > provide a PR request to fix the QGIS user group website.
>> >
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> > Andreas
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 at 09:31, Stefanos Natsis via QGIS-User
>> > <qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Marco, lists
>> >
>> > While I trust German and the Colombian user group's democratic
>> > procedures for delivering a vote to their representative, I
>> > deeply believe that having the same person as both a country
>> > voting member and a community voting member is a step in the
>> > wrong direction.
>> > It defeats the purpose of the Community Voting Members concept,
>> > which is to bring in more people to the QGIS commons and have a
>> > diverse pool of voters in the general meeting.
>> > Imagine the case where all country user groups had the same
>> > person as both a representative and a community voting member.
>> > In addition to that, one could also be OSGEO voting member and
>> > Honorary voting member too, casting a total of 4 votes! In
>> > theory one could have the integrity to cast four independent
>> > votes, but it would surely not look good to the public and we
>> > should protect the project from such scenarios.
>> >
>> > I therefore suggest that the PSC amends the Charter [0],
>> > explicitly making all four types of voting members as mutually
>> > exclusive positions, similar to how voting member and PSC
>> > positions are already mutually exclusive.
>> >
>> > I am sure the Colombian, French and Swiss user groups have
>> > plenty of members that can step up to replace their
>> representatives.
>> >
>> > I would love to read others' opinions on the matter!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Stefanos
>> >
>> >
>> > [0] https://qgis.org/community/foundation/charter/
>> > <https://qgis.org/community/foundation/charter/>
>> >
>> > On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 at 18:45, Marco Bernasocchi <marco at qgis.org
>> > <mailto:marco at qgis.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey Stefanos,
>> > That is correct, German is already listed as the
>> > *representative* of the user group Colombia.
>> > The UG Colombia vote is obviously not his vote but the vote
>> > of the Colombian user group.
>> >
>> > That means that he will be listed twice as we already have
>> > for other members loke Harrissou and France.
>> >
>> > Cheers Marco
>> >
>> > On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, 02:12 Stefanos Natsis,
>> > <uclaros at gmail.com <mailto:uclaros at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank you Marco,
>> > and thank you to those taking the time to vote;
>> > participating in commons is an important part of the
>> > QGIS community.
>> >
>> > I have a question regarding the ballot, though:
>> > The new QGIS website says Germán is already a voting
>> > member as a representative of the Colombian user group.
>> > Is the site not up to date? Was the user group disbanded
>> > (I can see they lost their registered domain)?
>> >
>> > Best
>> > Stefanos
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 6 Nov 2024 at 23:03, Marco Bernasocchi
>> > <marco at qgis.org <mailto:marco at qgis.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Community,
>> > Thanks for taking the time to respond to the
>> > community member vote.
>> > The vote closed last week, and I want to share the
>> > unofficial results.
>> >
>> > As stated, we had four slots up for elections and
>> > five candidates.
>> >
>> > We had 20 votes with the following results
>> >
>> > Germán Carrillo 19
>> > Stefanos Natsis 16
>> > Isabel Kiefer 16
>> > Damiano Lombardi 15
>> > Saber Razmjooei 14
>> >
>> > I'm still waiting for a response from two voters I
>> > could not confirm as active QGIS contributors, so
>> > **these results still need to be considered
>> > unofficial**.
>> > If the voters were not confirmed as active, the only
>> > absolute difference would be that Damiano would have
>> > the same votes as Saber, and we would need to run a
>> > second round between them.
>> >
>> > In this sense, I would already heartfeltly welcome
>> > Germán, Stefanos, and Isabel to our voting members
>> > community. Thank you so much for all you do for the
>> > project!
>> >
>> > I'll follow up with the definitive results next week
>> > with the next steps needed.
>> >
>> > Cheers Marco
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 at 00:35, Marco Bernasocchi
>> > <marco at qgis.org <mailto:marco at qgis.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear QGIS Community
>> >
>> > We invite you to elect your favourite community
>> > voting members.
>> > One community voting member is appointed in
>> > tandem with each QGIS Country User Group Voting
>> > Member.
>> >
>> > Due to the new usergroups, 4 Community member
>> > spot are be up for election.
>> >
>> >
>> > The purpose of the voting members is to elect
>> > the PSC and, where necessary, collectively make
>> > decisions related to QGIS governance.
>> >
>> > Please read the instructions carefully and
>> > establish your eligibility to vote, which I
>> > repeat here for your convenience:
>> > "Only community members with commit rights to an
>> > official QGIS git repository or with write
>> > access in transifex are eligible to vote
>> nominees”
>> >
>> >
>> > Voting will close on Friday 25 October 2024
>> > 23:59UTC.
>> > The voting form is here:
>> > https://forms.gle/64zomCdCtccHQqfp8
>> > <https://forms.gle/64zomCdCtccHQqfp8>
>> >
>> > If you have any questions about the voting
>> > process, please do not hesitate to contact me
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Marco
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Marco Bernasocchi
>> >
>> > QGIS.org Chair
>> > OPENGIS.ch CEO
>> > http://berna.io <http://berna.io>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Marco Bernasocchi
>> >
>> > QGIS.org Chair
>> > OPENGIS.ch CEO
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