[Qgis-developer] Final Logo Pick

Sun May 19 16:18:59 PDT 2013

+1 from me to have some kind of design committee.  If we don't focus on
this area of the project in the near future I feel it will always reflect
an amateur project status, and as we all know that is not the case.
Provided we have a mailing list that we can see what is going on and have
some input if we feel then I'm all for that kind of thing.

I'm happy for Larry to be on said committee regardless of his work on the
logo comp.  Anita would also get my vote. Nyall would also be another
person I would like to see added as he has some skills in this area. Mathieu
(nIRV) is another.

So the committee so far for me:
 - Larry
- Anita
- Nyall
- Mathieu

I think it's best to keep it small or else we end up back in this situation
again.

The current situation is that we HAVE to pick a design from the logo comp
and pay the "winner" regardless of if we use that logo or not. 99design
rules not mine.  If everyone is currently not 100% happy with what has been
presented I suggest that we pick one of Larry's, give him the money, and
ramp up the committee to design something better.  I would rather see the
money go to one of our devs if we are not happy so the money stays with the
project and we can keep working on it.

I will send an email to PSC asking for a vote on this and if I get all +1s
then I will pick Larry as the "winner" so we can all move on and not have
this hanging above our heads.

Regards,
Nathan

On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Tim Sutton <lists at linfiniti.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Larry Shaffer <larrys at dakotacarto.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Tim Sutton <lists at linfiniti.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Larry Shaffer <larrys at dakotacarto.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Tim Sutton <lists at linfiniti.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi
> >> >>
> >> >> I have to say when I compare them to our existing logo, none of them
> >> >> really do it for me. Perhaps we need a new mandate to freshen our
> >> >> exisiting logo rather than to try to create something new. Our
> current
> >> >> logo may have issues but it is:
> >
> > ------snip 8< -------------------------
> >>
> >> > Sorry, again, but I think the current logo falls far short of those
> >> > goals,
> >> > and any focus on revamping it is just prolonging the inevitable
> decision
> >> > to
> >> > move to a better one.
> >>
> >>
> >> Just to clarify - I am not opposed to replacing the logo at all. I
> >> just want to replace it with something that properly addresses our
> >> needs rather than taking an option we are not happy with simply
> >> because of the 99designs competition deadline. Currently there isn't
> >> an entry in my opinion that does this - for me anyway.
> >
> >
> > I agree 100% that a logo should not be settled upon, but happily
> selected,
> > regardless of any competition deadline. It's a very important decision. I
> > have a couple of ideas to overcome the current impasse:
> >
> > 1) Run off - Currently there seems to be two popular designs, but a
> general
> > consensus that neither is the 'right' one. There could be a short-term
> 'run
> > off' competition that allows those two designers to try and come up with
> > better designs, in an attempt to find a good solution for 2.0 release.
> > Again, this should not mean the result has to be binding, i.e. the
> winner's
> > logo used.
> >
> > 2) Use current logo - For 2.0 release, just use the current logo, as is.
> > After 2.0 release, I suggest the forming of an design committee to manage
> > another go at finding a new logo, and for the reasons mentioned below.
> >
> > 3) Design committee - Kudos to Nathan for his efforts on the competition
> and
> > getting everyone involved in the process. In retrospect I think a logo by
> > popular consensus, as a means of getting to final logo selections, may
> not
> > be the best course of action. In many organizations there are people with
> > design background or knowledge who work on making the initial selections
> to
> > bring to the community or those who make decisions.
> >
> > For example, the popular #50 has a inherent design flaw of being 95%
> black,
> > even though the rest of the design is OK. Such a committee could have
> > spotted this early on and asked the designer to work on a fix, before the
> > logo was presented to the community/PSC to vote on.
> >
> > I suggest such a committee be formed and comprised of 3-5 people who's
> job
> > is to manage and make initial decisions on:
> >
> > * Project logo, design style, fonts
> > * Marketing material design style
> > * Documentation/web site template style and fonts
> > * Program's general icons, toolbar icons, splash screen and style
> >
> > A design committee will allow a cohesive 'look' for all parts of the
> project
> > to start taking shape. The committee should probably answer to and be
> under
> > the purview of the PSC marketing advisor, and have specific abilities
> > bestowed upon it members to vote internally to act on smaller decisions
> > without needing full PSC approval.
> >
> > Basically, I feel design by community popular vote is not a good
> approach:
> > too many cooks in the kitchen. This committee could be formed now, with
> an
> > initial goal of handling the current logo situation. While personally I
> have
> > a lot of design experience and would like to be on such a committee, I
> > understand my current conflict of interest regarding the logo, and would
> > recuse myself regarding its decision.
> >
> > An active community member who has clear public examples of quality,
> > design-oriented work would be Anita Graser. So, I would nominate her to
> be
> > on such a committee.
> >
>
> That all sounds like a very reasonable approach. I think this kind of
> filtering would be good as in retrospect there was such a high noise
> to signal ratio in the design competition I didn't find the process
> worked well for me. Hats off to Nathan for all the effort he put into
> it, but a more filtered and considered approach as described above
> sounds good. It would be also good to have a more rigorous set of
> criteria - the emotional response to a logo should be the last part of
> the process not the first, basic design principles should first be
> ticked off.
>
> +1 on your suggestions above
>
> Regards
>
>
> Tim
>
>
> > Regards,
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Tim
>
>
>
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