[Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] New Icons - difficult to "read"
Matthias Kuhn
matthias.kuhn at gmx.ch
Fri May 24 08:42:36 PDT 2013
Hi,
I'm along the lines of Werner, Anita, Marco... The new "gis" icon set
looks much more professional than the old icon set and the look of the
icon set actually gives the software a whole different look.
From what I've read here, the main concern lies on the add layer icons
which look too similar. If I remember correctly there was a plan to
collapse them all into a single add layer button. I don't know what
happened to this plan, but that would help to overcome this problem and
enhance the gui as it will get cleaner. Is there anybody working on
this feature still?
Please allow me to ask, which other icons (apart from the add layer
icons) look too similar or have other problems.
For me the icon set is something similar to the logo. The current (1.8)
designs look hobby-ish and need a redesign. But as you mentioned, a
change should happen once only and not in every minor release.
So please let's focus on making the "gis" icon theme better. The old
version gets a big -1 from me.
Matthias
On Fre 24 Mai 2013 17:28:49 CEST, Jonathan Moules wrote:
> Hi Marco,
> I'm afraid I respectfully disagree. A "short adaptation period" won't
> make the icons more obvious.
>
> I'm not a big QGIS user. If I want to use /any/ function in QGIS, I
> have to stare at the icons and use the tooltips to figure out what
> button does what, so I'm not "adapted" to the 1.8 set, let alone the
> 2.x ones.
>
> That said, when I look at the 2.0 set what I see is many icons that
> are almost identical. Any icon that is only ~3% different from its
> neighbour (i.e. the database ones) is never going to be any good for
> its purpose. I'd imagine people with a visual impairment may struggle
> even more.
>
> Also remember, not all users navigate by knowing where the buttons are
> (in fact, most don't). For those users you *have* to have a good set
> of icons that are easily differentiated at a glance.
>
> I think colour would be a start, but the designs themselves are still
> too similar.
>
> I think resolving this in time for the 2.x release makes sense.
> Otherwise those who do learn these icons will have to re-learn them
> for 2.1. It doesn't make sense to change something as fundamental as
> the iconography twice in as many releases.
>
> Just my 2p.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Jonathan
>
>
> On 24 May 2013 13:23, Marco Bernasocchi <marco at bernawebdesign.ch
> <mailto:marco at bernawebdesign.ch>> wrote:
>
> Agree as well with Werner and Anita.
> It is just matter of a short adaptation period.
>
> Ciao
>
>
> On 05/24/2013 01:34 PM, Anita Graser wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> -1. I agree with Werner. Having used the "gis" icon set for
> many months,
> I have problems using the old ones. That's just how the human
> mind works.
> Let's improve the "gis" icons where it makes sense but let us
> focus or
> work on one set.
>
> Best wishes,
> Anita
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Werner Macho
> <werner.macho at gmail.com <mailto:werner.macho at gmail.com>
> <mailto:werner.macho at gmail.com
> <mailto:werner.macho at gmail.com>__>> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> -1 for keeping the old Icons..
>
> I'd rather vote to probably leave them for 2.0 but get rid
> of them
> afterwards.. It does not make any sense to have different
> sets of
> icons ..
> And as GRASS is using the same icon set in their GUI it
> does indeed
> make sense to use it probably in every open source GIS ..
>
> I know that the first time might be hard but that"s just
> the usual
> human behaviour of refusing new things.
> But for e.g. I am working with the new icon set since a
> very long
> time (to use GRASS and QGIS in parallel) and I can find
> everything
> at once but rather have some kind of problems when I
> switch to the
> old ones..
>
> So I know that I could adapt myself to the old iconset
> within a few
> days .. It"s just human that every "more work" you have to
> do gets
> refused at first regardless of the advatnages it might
> bring later
>
> So maybe for a period of migration I"d leave the old icons
> inside
> but definitely not for 2.1 or later ..
>
> OF course that all is just my personal experience and opinion
>
> kind regards
> Werner
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Duarte Carreira
> <DCarreira at edia.pt <mailto:DCarreira at edia.pt>
> <mailto:DCarreira at edia.pt <mailto:DCarreira at edia.pt>>> wrote:
>
> I would like to ask the “powers that be” to keep the
> old and
> trusted icons. They never failed me and the gui is quite
> uplifting. The new set may be technically better but
> is not as
> friendly to users.
>
> Please keep both.
>
> Duarte
>
> *De:*Jonathan Moules
> [mailto:jonathanmoules at __warwickshire.gov.uk
> <mailto:jonathanmoules at warwickshire.gov.uk>
> <mailto:jonathanmoules at __warwickshire.gov.uk
> <mailto:jonathanmoules at warwickshire.gov.uk>>]
> *Enviada:* sexta-feira, 24 de Maio de 2013 09:59
> *Para:* skampus
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> *Assunto:* Re: [Qgis-user] [Qgis-developer] New Icons -
>
> difficult to "read"
>
> +1
>
> i.e. The difference between the "Add PostGIS layers"
> and "Add
> SpatiaLite layers" is that one has a regular cylinder
> and the
> other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about
> 20-30 pixels
> are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I
> have to look
> at them in detail to see the differences. And there's
> still
> MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema
> which
> using this system will only confuse things more.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but
> they're really hard to visually differentiate.
>
> I did a quick google and came across this:
>
>
> http://turbomilk.com/blog/__cookbook/icon_design/10___mistakes_in_icon_design/
> <http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/>
>
> The QGIS icons do all of the top three things.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus
> <stefano.campus at regione.__piemonte.it
> <mailto:stefano.campus at regione.piemonte.it>
> <mailto:stefano.campus at __regione.piemonte.it
> <mailto:stefano.campus at regione.piemonte.it>>> wrote:
>
> that could be a useful option.
> sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are
> unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly
> only
> because now i
> remberer relative position
>
>
>
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