[Qgis-developer] What is "Discourage other labels from covering features in this layer" option in layer properties?

[Anita Graser]

Thanks for bringing this up again DelazJ!

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 3:26 PM, DelazJ <delazj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think this thread may also concern the UX list
>
> http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/What-is-quot-Discourage-other-labels-from-covering-features-in-this-layer-quot-option-in-layer-prope-td5222293.html
>

​Is there a ticket for this UX issue yet? We could work on some GUI mockups
for after this feature freeze.

Best wishes,
Anita​





>
> Thanks
>
> 2015-09-10 16:38 GMT+02:00 DelazJ <delazj at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi all,
>> Nyall, Thanks for the feedback and the work you've done. I read your
>> article few weeks ago but didn't try the new functions till last day.
>>
>> I agree that layer, regardless it is labelled or not, should offer the
>> option of being an obstacle of any other layer's label. I suppose you mean
>> that, as far as possible, labels from another layer shouldn't "touch"
>> interior or boundary of the layer's features. I can easily figure it out
>> for point and polyline layer but not that easy for polygon (except for
>> boundaries). You didn't write about but would you mind explaining the
>> expected behaviour of "Over the feature's interior" - for polygons - in
>> "minimise placing labels" options. What can be its use case?
>>
>> Sorry, I'm not an UI expert but what about adding a checkbox "Discourage
>> other labels from covering features in this layer" in top of the old
>> checkbox "Label this layer with" in Labels tab ? We then have two
>> checkboxes:
>> - the first one manages the relation with the labels of other layers
>> - and the other one for labelling the layer as we use to (with its
>> current sub-tabs).
>> Then the layer can be labelled and/or "obstacled" without interference.
>> What may be difficult with this schema is that it doesn't handle the
>> "minimise placing labels" options, unless adding a combobox after the first
>> checkbox (available for polygons).
>> I think user should clearly identify whether the obstacle option is
>> within the layer (in render tab) or against other layers (the top
>> checkbox).
>>
>> Regards,
>> DelazJ
>>
>>
>> 2015-09-02 22:57 GMT+02:00 Nyall Dawson <nyall.dawson at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On 2 September 2015 at 22:46, DelazJ <delazj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > In QGIS master (524716f), Layer's Properties > Labels, where we use to
>>> > select in a combobox the field to label, there is now a combobox with
>>> > options like :
>>> > - No labels;
>>> > - Show labels for this layer;
>>> > - Discourage other labels from covering features in this layer.
>>> > I'd like to understand why this third option is there and what it does
>>> > (since choosing it just deactivates labels properties - just like "No
>>> > labels" option).
>>> > If it's supposed to set the layer features as obstacles for other
>>> layer's
>>> > labels, shouldn't it be a checkbox in Labels > rendering > Obstacles?
>>> > Moreover, someone may want to show labels of a layer but discourage
>>> other
>>> > layers to have their labels covering the features of the first layer.
>>> Is
>>> > that possible with this configuration without duplicating the layer?
>>>
>>> There's a little more detail about the change here [1]. But basically,
>>> in the past it was only possible for a layer to act as an obstacle for
>>> labeling if the layer itself had labels. This isn't ideal - eg in my
>>> current project I have a water bodies layer which isn't labelled, but
>>> I still want to avoid labels for roads/features being placed over the
>>> water features where possible.
>>>
>>> So this change was made so that you can now have layers act as
>>> obstacles without being labelled themselves. I agree that the UI for
>>> this isn't ideal, but I couldn't come up with a better approach. This
>>> setting needs to be grouped with the label properties, and it's also
>>> important to make it clear that if you label a layer it can still act
>>> as an obstacle layer.
>>>
>>> I do have one followup change planned, which is to move the actual
>>> widgets for configuring the obstacle behaviour (eg the obstacle
>>> priority and polygon obstacle behaviour combobox) into a new
>>> "obstacles" setting pane (placed under the existing
>>> buffer/shadow/placement/... etc panes). Then this obstacle pane would
>>> be set as the only visible pane when the mode is set to "discourage
>>> other labels...", since the settings there apply also to obstacle-only
>>> layers. Make sense?
>>>
>>> I'm not tied to this approach, and am open to a better UX for this.
>>> Mockups are welcome!
>>>
>>> Nyall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://nyalldawson.net/2015/07/recent-labelling-improvements-in-qgis-master/
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
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