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<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>Wow, thanks for the very detailed answer.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24.06.18 10:46, Tim Sutton wrote:<br>
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Hi Matthias<br>
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<div>Since a few months ago, we added custom domain supports
to the ‘projecta’ app we have built. That lets us host all
the projects on one server instance but each project
registering a custom domain can specify their own project or
group of projects to be what is seen when you visit that
domain. So while in the past you would see a bunch of
different unrelated projects, you now see :</div>
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<div><a href="http://changelog.qgis.org" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">http://changelog.qgis.org</a> ->
goes straight to the QGIS projecta project</div>
<div><a href="http://changelog.inasafe.org" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">http://changelog.inasafe.org</a>
-> goes to the projecta landing page for InaSAFE (which
then lists a few subprojects of InaSAFE)</div>
<div><a href="http://changelog.kartoza.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">http://changelog.kartoza.com</a>
-> goes to the generic landing page which any new project
will be registered on</div>
<div><a href="http://??" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://??</a>??
-> more to come in future</div>
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Ah, perfect<br>
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<div>Although we built this platform based around the things
we identified as useful for QGIS, we planned to make it
generic enough that it can be used by other projects, with
eventually a monetisation scheme (which QGIS will be exempt
from) whereby we will charge a small transaction fee on
donations, sponsorships, certificates etc. passing through
the system. We already spent a LOT of time and money on
building the platform and would like to have it funded so it
can be sustainable into the future. The monetisation will be
on top of the stripe commission fees which to participating
projects will probably mean around an 8% overhead on
transactions coming through the platform. That is more than
the do-it yourself stripe approach but we feel the
convenience of the platform makes that a good value
proposition.</div>
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<p>First, thanks a lot! The platform is extremely valuable and fills
a missing gap in the project. I'm glad to hear you have plans to
build a sustainable business model around it. If that helps to
make it grow and pays for its maintenance, that will improve the
product.<br>
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<div>Everything is projecta is open source so QGIS could
conceivably run it on its own infrastructure if you decide
you don’t like something we are doing….and Richard already
knows how to get an instance up and running….its not too
hard.</div>
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While that certainly sounds interesting, that's not the discussion I
wanted to trigger here ...<br>
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<div>Richard has already done an integration to automate the
sponsorships going into projecta to appear on the <a
href="http://QGIS.org" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">QGIS.org</a>
sponsors page (via a feed that we provide on projecta for
sponsors). We can do this because sponsors can be shown to
users as static content.</div>
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<div>Likewise for the changelogs there is a feed to grab them
from projecta and (with a bit of massaging from Richard)
incorporate them into <a href="http://QGIS.org" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">QGIS.org</a>. We probably want to
keep this workflow because a) static pages are nice :-) and
b) once in sphinx the changelogs can be translated using the
same workflows as the rest of the site.</div>
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<div>Certification is on projecta and I can’t see it going to
a static site right now - In the future maybe when we have
views for ‘upcoming courses near you’ and ‘find a training
centre’ etc. we could probably pull these over but even that
probably isnt worth it. We could probably tweak projecta to
allow custom domains for a project’s certification page
(e.g. <a href="https://certification.qgis.org" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://certification.qgis.org</a>).</div>
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<p>Having Sponsorship and Changelog as static content (mirrored) and
keep certification dynamic sounds like a good plan.</p>
<p>Having either a proper subdomain like proposed here and/or (if
not feasible quickly) move the whole QGIS project to something
like project.qgis.org which is generic enough to serve for all the
subparts, that would be great. Especially since the main landing
page for the changelog is not projecta but the mirrored content on
the qgis page, it would be good to move things to a different
subdomain. It would also be nice to have a link on top of
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://changelog.qgis.org/en/qgis/version/3.0.0/">http://changelog.qgis.org/en/qgis/version/3.0.0/</a> etc. that links
to the mirrored page, once it's there, so people landing on the
projecta page will be redirected to a translated and updated site
on qgis.org.</p>
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<p>The most important question I wanted to raise here is, how can we
make sure that customers landing on the certification page respect
it as a trustworthy platform. Things that come to my mind here</p>
<p>- Having another subdomain than changelog.qgis.org</p>
<p>- Having SSL (signed with qgis.org)</p>
<p>- Having a page design that matches qgis.org<br>
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<p>- Having a link from qgis.org<br>
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<div>The same for the lessons platform we build (see <a
href="http://changelog.qgis.org/en/qgis/section/list/"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://changelog.qgis.org/en/qgis/section/list/</a>
for all the new training materials we have been developing
for QGIS) - we could be pulling this over to <a
href="http://QGIS.org" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">QGIS.org</a>
as static content and then incorporating into translation
workflows there. We have also a translation framework for
lessons on the platform, but it probably won’t scale well
for many many languages.</div>
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<p>Wow, that is looking good! It would be great to advertise this
more!</p>
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<div>SSL is on our roadmap for projecta,</div>
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<div>We are also going to be rebranding it soon as <a
href="http://prj.app" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">http://prj.app</a>
(nothing to see there yet) with an on ramping process to
make it easy for new projects to sign up.</div>
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<div>We would be happy to tweak things to include custom
domain support for other parts of the app e.g. <a
href="http://lessons.qgis.org" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">http://lessons.qgis.org</a>. There
are also other interesting things that we built on the
platform that never really got used - especially the quorum
tool which lets you form teams in a project, make and record
decisions (pre-dated loomio) and has a concencus model built
in.</div>
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<div>For <a href="http://QGIS.org" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">QGIS.org</a> I would suggest to
generally keep things as you have it - pull static content
onto the site and use projecta as backend where you prepare
content. It is a ‘safe’ way to manage things since once
content is static, there isnt much that can go wrong and we
trade a few moving parts in the content preparation phase
for basically no moving parts in the content delivery stage.</div>
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Cool, not much to add from my side. I'm generally happy with the
process as long as a visitor can easily see where the
"authoritative" version is located and whenever the "authoritative"
version of a framework is on prj.app it appears trustworthy for a
visitor.<br>
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<div>Hope that sheds some light on the big picture view of
things from project’s side - and hopefully those with other
published software will consider using Prj.app in the future
to benefit from all the stuff we have built for <a
href="http://QGIS.org" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">QGIS.org</a>
and to help support us in maintaining the platform….</div>
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<p>It does, this platform has a big potential for QGIS but also for
other projects.</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Matthias<br>
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<div>Regards</div>
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