<div dir="ltr">Hi Casper<br><div><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="gmail-im"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 10 avr. 2019 à 10:29, Casper Børgesen <<a href="mailto:caboe@sdfe.dk" target="_blank">caboe@sdfe.dk</a>> a écrit :<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="DA"><div class="gmail-m_-4535440005112768939gmail-m_-2832697409192394302WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">What
I have experienced is that I, as a frequent open source user in my line
of work, have a difficult time convincing my boss to invest in
something which is free (and thus inferior – not my opinion since I
prefer the
open source program).</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Yeah, I think this is the rational behind what I think is the strongest bottleneck of Open Source projects currently. <br></div><div>I
think we should make an effort to kill the idea that QGIS does not cost
money. It is free yes, this allow you to start and scale GIS for anyone
in an organisation. However, we are witnessing a worlwide behavior
change with open source. Beyond all the billion dollar things with red
hat, githb, IBM and Microsoft, we see here big companies that totally
changed their way to use open source. They advocate that open source
costs gain is not at all the correct argument to choose open source. If
you do so, you will kill communities by asking much, making great
savings and never give back. And one day, the project will die and your
projects with it. So those companies are working to convince their teams
to switch to a correct way of doing open source, which could be summed
up this way :<br></div><div><br></div><div>- understand the community first before starting a production project</div><div>-
Always start with budgets roadmap for open source contribution. Justify
how much you will save at start, we scaling up if your project rocks,
and bargain to keep a fraction of it to contribute back (ie : fix,
document, improve, promote, translate). I f you don't do this at start,
it will be a lot harder to negociate something if your boss thinks it is
free</div><div>- Go for a support contract, this helps you make your
hierarchy understand this is serious stuff, react fast, helps you
explain them the open source codes. And it's best commercial solution
we've found up to now to fit with AGILE working. I don't know any
serious Oracle 2 postgresql migration that is not supported like this in
fact. <br></div><div>- Advertise what you are doing publicly, and get in touch with "big serious corps" to show QGIS is serious stuff. <br></div><div><br></div><div>In
fact this is pretty much the same thing about data. I've always been
taught that any GIS project is expensive. But if you start any project
by evaluating costs and gains on the long run, you save a lot in the
end. <br></div><div> </div><div>I think we are in a moment where we must
all try to make our boss spirit change. Let's stop saying QGIS costs
nothing. Let's share experiences together to convince them this is
serious. Let's calculate how much it costs to workaround issues instead
of solving them. Let's show them that solving issues is often NOT
expensive. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Let's keep up guys, the current
moment we live is mostly a good one because we are facing a huge
success, and we are no more between us, hairy convinced nerds. <br></div><div>We
have millions of users, huge expectations, very few ressources. We all
have to spread the word beyong our technical social networks, take some
risks. And each time I tries to do that, surprisingly it works! Not
immediatly, but somes months or years after, a whole company suddenly
switches from the anti-open source camp to our side. Sometimes, one
person can't swich, be patient, do a work around, speak with others
(above), sometimes hire someone to spread a message you are not in a
position to spread yourself. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 10 avr. 2019 à 10:29, Casper Børgesen <<a href="mailto:caboe@sdfe.dk">caboe@sdfe.dk</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Hi Andrea<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-US">"I did not pay for open source software, hence I won't pay for support or bug fixing (let alone use my super precious personal time to help the community in other ways)".<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">What I have experienced is that I, as a frequent open source user in my line of work, have a difficult time convincing my boss to invest in something which is free (and thus inferior – not my opinion since I prefer the
open source program). Which means that while I agree with your “madness” in <u></u>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-US">“And this is where I get mad :-D”</span></i><span lang="EN-US">,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">your “madness” hits me and not the ones refusing to throw a few coins at helping us all fix a couple of bugs. I guess it’s just another example of how the purse-keeper doesn’t feel the frustrations, just the moneyless
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Regards, Casper<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> QGIS-Developer <<a href="mailto:qgis-developer-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">qgis-developer-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrea Aime<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 9. april 2019 20:00<br>
<b>To:</b> Jonathan Moules <<a href="mailto:jonathan-lists@lightpear.com" target="_blank">jonathan-lists@lightpear.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> qgis-developer <<a href="mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [QGIS-Developer] Bug #21460?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 7:00 PM Jonathan Moules <<a href="mailto:jonathan-lists@lightpear.com" target="_blank">jonathan-lists@lightpear.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Hi Andrea,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>As always, I agree with you, but one thing:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>> After all, the GPL license is really clear on the matter: "THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH YOU. SHOULD THE PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION" Throwing
one's frustration at the developers that shared code under the above conditions, while somehow understandable, really does not make sense and helps nobody.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>To be fair you get the exact same conditions if you throw six digit sums to the proprietary vendors too.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes indeed, completely agree.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I kind of see an unfortunate tendency to repetition in users, a sort of "continuity" if you like:<u></u><u></u></p>
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"I pay for proprietary software, hence I'll pay for support and fixing" (and agree that getting a fix is really hard, towards "mission impossible" levels, with large vendors)<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
"I did not pay for open source software, hence I won't pay for support or bug fixing (let alone use my super-precious personal time to help the community in other ways)". And this is where I get mad :-D<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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