[Qgis-psc] Fwd: Certification of Municipia
Paolo Cavallini
cavallini at faunalia.it
Mon Sep 17 23:12:31 PDT 2018
Sending off the reply now.
All the best.
Il 09/17/2018 08:39 AM, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto:
>
> Hi all,
>
> got the reply from qgis-pt.
>
> Anything prevents us from just refusing the certification, inviting
> them to collaborate in the future to have a positive response?
>
> All the best.
>
>
>
> -------- Messaggio Inoltrato --------
> Oggetto: Re: Certification of Municipia
> Data: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 08:34:22 +0100
> Mittente: QGIS PORTUGAL <qgis.portugal at gmail.com>
> A: cavallini at faunalia.it
>
>
>
> Hello Paolo,
>
>
> In name of the members of the Portuguese user group, here is our
> answer to the certification of Municipia.
>
>
> As you have seen in the PSC mailing list, we as a group have been
> discussing when to consider a company QGIS friendly. To clarify, it
> had nothing to do with the Training certification process, but for the
> creation on our site of a page dedicated to companies. Only companies
> with certain criteria can show in there. Yet, both their services and
> their contributions will be listed there, so that users can take their
> own conclusions.
>
>
> For the certification program, we still think that this kind of
> criteria could help user groups to make their decision, special if
> there are contribution at the National level that the PSC may not be
> aware.
>
>
> You mention that this procedure aims to avoid free ride of companies
> that do not give back to the project. Municipia might be one of the
> supreme examples of that in Portugal. At least that we know.
>
>
> First some context about municipia. Municipia is a Cartography and GIS
> company. They have 55+ employees [0]. Amongst other work, they develop
> GIS solutions mainly for municipalities. During this year they signed
> public contracts in the value of 294k €, in 2017 it was 386k €, and in
> 2016 it was 156k€ [1] (Note that some of this contract are together
> with other companies, but, on the other hand this does not include
> contracts with private companies)
>
>
> We would vote NO for allowing them to have a QGIS certificate. Here’s
> the reasons:
>
>
> 1 - The 500€ donation was already in 2011, therefore totally outdated.
> Also, some members of our group think that the donation was in fact
> around 200€ that were spent in snacks for the 5th QGIS developer
> meeting. That allowed them to become official sponsors for a while. We
> think that in 2011 the 500€ minimum for becoming a sponsor still did
> not exists. Maybe Andrea can confirm this.
>
>
> 2 - According to Giovanni, the participation of Municipia in the 5th
> QGIS developer meeting resumes to paying the snacks as posted above,
> and getting a room for the event in the university for free. Still,
> that was 7 years ago.
>
>
> 3 - We have no experience with their QGIS courses. Anyway, these are
> not free (as in beer) and open courses that could count as a
> contribution to QGIS adoption. These course are probably delivered
> only to their enterprise clients, as we never saw any publicity about
> them.
>
>
> 4 - By imposition of the OSGEO-Europe 2018 organization, the QGIS
> Wildfire hazard maps plugin, was published on Github. Yet, the plugin
> is incomplete, and will not return the expected outcome. This was
> tested by Pedro Venâncio, who created a pull request to finish the
> plugin, but got no answer from them.
>
>
> 5 - AFAIK They use QGIS (amongst other FOSS) to deliver solutions for
> their clients, mainly public municipalities. They have shown some
> products is our national FOSS4G (SASIG) last year. One, for managing
> water networks was a QGIS plugin connected to PostGIS[2]. When asked
> if the code of that system was provided to their clients, they clearly
> answered that they would only provide the code to the client if that
> has been agreed in the contract. This shows how they simply ignore the
> GPL license…
>
>
>
> I hope that this helps clarifying our position. Thank you for
> requiring our opinion, we hope that this process make companies like
> Municipia change their Modus operandi, and become active QGIS
> contributors.
>
>
> In behalf of the Portuguese User Group,
>
>
> Alexandre Neto
>
>
> [0] -
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/munic%C3%ADpia-s-a-/?originalSubdomain=pt
>
>
> [1] -
> http://www.base.gov.pt/Base/pt/ResultadosPesquisa?type=contratos&query=texto%3Dmunicipia%26tipo%3D0%26tipocontrato%3D0%26cpv%3D%26numeroanuncio%3D%26aqinfo%3D%26adjudicante%3D%26adjudicataria%3D%26desdeprecocontrato_false%3D%26desdeprecocontrato%3D%26ateprecocontrato_false%3D%26ateprecocontrato%3D%26desdedatacontrato%3D%26atedatacontrato%3D%26desdedatapublicacao%3D%26atedatapublicacao%3D%26desdeprazoexecucao%3D%26ateprazoexecucao%3D%26desdedatafecho%3D%26atedatafecho%3D%26desdeprecoefectivo_false%3D%26desdeprecoefectivo%3D%26ateprecoefectivo_false%3D%26ateprecoefectivo%3D%26pais%3D0%26distrito%3D0%26concelho%3D0
>
>
> [2] -
> http://osgeopt.pt/sasig2017/apresentacoes/22/Municipia_munWater_SASIG_2017.pptx
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:51 PM Paolo Cavallini <cavallini at faunalia.it
> <mailto:cavallini at faunalia.it>> wrote:
>
> Obrigado.
>
> Il 13 settembre 2018 10:59:22 CEST, QGIS PORTUGAL
> <qgis.portugal at gmail.com <mailto:qgis.portugal at gmail.com>> ha
> scritto:
>
> Hi Paolo,
>
> We are taking care of it. I believe we will be able to give an
> answer until the end of today.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Alexandre Neto
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:30 AM Paolo Cavallini
> <cavallini at faunalia.it <mailto:cavallini at faunalia.it>> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> we would greatly appreciate a confirmation of receipt of
> this mine. Your
> review should be completed within one month from first
> communication.
> Please do not hesitate contacting us, formally or
> informally, for any doubt.
> Thanks for your cooperation.
> Cheers.
> ===
> Hi all,
>
> as you probably know, QGIS.ORG-PSC has recently decided
> that a necessary
> step to grant approval for a company to become a QGIS
> Certifying entity
> is to ask local user groups to give their advice. Our aim
> is to enhance
> collaboration on the project, and avoid providing a free
> ride for those
> who only take without giving in proportion.
>
> I am therefore submitting a proposal. Since this is the
> first time we
> apply the procedure, it has to be taken as slightly
> experimental, so
> please do not hesitate discussing with us details and
> decisions.
>
> All the best, and thanks for your cooperation.
>
> ========================================
>
> Here's the Municípia contribution to QGIS project:
>
> 2011 – 500€ donation for QGIS projet
>
> 2011 - 5th QGIS Developer Meeting in Lisbon
> The 5th QGIS Developer Meeting from 14 - 18 April 2011 was
> held in
> Lisbon, Portugal. This meeting was organized by Vânia
> Neves and Giovanni
> Manghi (Faunalia.pt) and MUNICIPIA. The event was be
> partially supported
> by MUNICIPIA and by the local OSGeo chapter.
> University of Lisbon, Institute of Geography and Land
> Management
> provided the venue.
>
> 2011 - 2018
> 12 QGIS courses (252 training hours for 144 trainees)
>
> 2018 – QGIS Wildfire hazard maps plugin presentation in
> OSGEO-Europe
> 2018 Conference
> ========================================
> My note: the plugin is publicly available at
> https://github.com/MunicipiaSA/hazard_pmdfci but not
> (yet?) published on
> our repo.
>
> --
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>
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>
>
>
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