[Qgis-psc] QGIS for Mac OS packaging and infrastructure

[Luigi Pirelli]

Sorry Nyall and all, I hadn't intention to give a negative impression of
osx users, wasn't my intention... I focused only the fact that these users
didn't invested in packaging for osx platform. There could be many reasons
for this, not so good marketing of the fundraising? not a US company asking
for money (assuming most of them are US based)? better a second round? no
idea.

 I accept your suggestion to avoid to talk about Apple, I agree, better
focus on qgis users.

Luigi Pirelli

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On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 00:30, Nyall Dawson <nyall.dawson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 02:09, Luigi Pirelli <luipir at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not in general in favor of fees on a free (as freedom) project, but
> in win or linux env, we do not have to pay Apple to sign the application of
> buy a dedicated hardware to perform CI! (revolutionary tax)
> > I'm in favor of a fee considering the fact that OSX (not mac) users
> didn't want to crowdfund the packaging of support OSX costs for CI (mostly
> US market). In Win env (now) there is a good dev community that can compile
> and help build documentation and debug. The only effort on OSX package is
> lutra's contribution (AFAIK) => there is no a fair balance!
> > IMHO spend project funds to a packaging process that nor their user want
> to support is like continuing to give support to QGIS package for Win XP
> that is no supported nor by M$.
> >
> > More, with Apple moving more to an entertainment company we should
> consider it carefully... IMHO project funds for a packaging that are
> strictly dependent to commercial decisions is too risky! (remember all
> harware lost changing apple powerPC to intel processors 10 years ago).
>
> Can I respectful ask that we leave ALL consideration of Apple as a
> company out of these discussions? I don't think they are relevant in
> any way for our end users, or their experience and utility of QGIS.
>
> This is obviously a tricky discussion, but this is a public forum and
> we should avoid all negative talk about MacOS, Apple, and especially
> the users of this platform. We have (and always will have) users on
> MacOS, and we should keep the discussion focused entirely on how we as
> a project can best serve these valued users, and the
> technical/financial approach needed to give them a good QGIS
> experience.
>
> Nyall
>
>
> >
> > my2c
> >
> > Luigi Pirelli
> >
> >
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> > On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 16:36, Tim Sutton <tim at kartoza.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> On 26 Mar 2019, at 14:39, Alessandro Pasotti <apasotti at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ok I know this may sound heretic (please don't send me to the stake or
> my kids will starve), but did you consider selling the Mac packages for a
> small fee?
> >>
> >> I mean it's absolutely fair that you require a compensation for all you
> hard work on the Mac stuff, you well deserve it, but I'm not sure this
> should be on the general QGIS.org budget.
> >>
> >> The rationale is that the we all know the reasons why developing on Mac
> is so expensive (well, Mac is so expensive in general) and I think that Mac
> users should pay for the most of it, not all the users.
> >>
> >>
> >> As a totally biased MacOS user I’m -1 for this. I don’t think
> supporting packages on Windows or Linux is really any cheaper, just that we
> had a willing volunteer (Jürgen and others for other Linux derivatives) who
> contributed a lot of effort for free. I would really not like to see that
> we single out one platform and start charging for packages it.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> Tim Sutton
> >> tim at qgis.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
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