[Qgis-psc] PSC Meeting March

Andreas Neumann a.neumann at carto.net
Tue Mar 17 11:54:39 PDT 2020


Hi Marco,

Can you please create a new PSC document and post the meeting link there?

Otherwise I don't know how to join the meeting.

Thanks,

Andreas

Am 17.03.20 um 19:50 schrieb Marco Bernasocchi:
> hi yes we'll meet.
> see you then
>
> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020, 19:34 Anita Graser, <anitagraser at gmx.at 
> <mailto:anitagraser at gmx.at>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Marco,
>
>     As co-chair, could you please let us know if we should meet in
>     half an hour?
>
>     Thanks!
>     Anita
>
>
>     On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:08 PM Andreas Neumann <andreas at qgis.org
>     <mailto:andreas at qgis.org>> wrote:
>
>         Paolo - can you comment if you can participate tonight? Did
>         you mix up the dates or did you really mean the 20th (Friday)?
>
>         Greetings,
>         Andreas
>
>         On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 12:11, Anita Graser <anitagraser at gmx.at
>         <mailto:anitagraser at gmx.at>> wrote:
>
>             I'm available but Paolo wrote:
>
>             "I agree a meeting would be useful. Things are quite
>             unstable here due to
>             COVID-19, but I *should* be able to join in the late
>             afternoon or
>             evening of 20th.  "
>
>             Regards,
>             Anita
>
>             On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:47 AM Tim Sutton
>             <tim at kartoza.com <mailto:tim at kartoza.com>> wrote:
>
>                 Reposting as list message was rejected due to size:
>
>                 Hi
>
>                 Thank you so much for your email @Vincent. Personally
>                 I have read your email below and numerous articles
>                 online about it and there is still, in my mind, room
>                 for posting a GPL app on the apple store - there just
>                 needs to be a clear path to fetch the binaries so that
>                 you can install it on your other systems (i.e. the
>                 contention mainly relates to the third freedom). This
>                 could be done in the application itself with a link
>                 somewhere to download the package files and notes on
>                 how to install it (which to be fair may be a
>                 convoluted process on some operating systems).
>
>                 However, in acknowledgement that there is probably
>                 never going to be general agreement on this, and the
>                 only conclusive way to deal with it is to modify our
>                 license to add an exemption for distribution via app
>                 stores (I would propose a general exemption rather
>                 then mentioning any specific one), I have contacted
>                 Saber off-list and asked him to remove the link to
>                 INPUT on our web site. I did this along with a deep
>                 sense of shame that we cannot acknowledge the hard
>                 work of long term contributors to QGIS - in particular
>                 Martin has been a contributor to QGIS since the very
>                 early days of the project.
>
>                 https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Website/pull/735
>
>                 The assessment of the situation below may be right,
>                 but IMHO the situation itself is wrong - we should not
>                 be held hostage by our own license. Our license choice
>                 was intended to ensure that QGIS can be a GIS that
>                 everyone can use, and we should be actively taking it
>                 to every platform that is in popular use. Thus I would
>                 like to raise the proposal that we assemble a list of
>                 everyone who has made a contribution to the QGIS code
>                 base, and at very least, run a poll to see how many
>                 would be amenable to a modification of the license.
>                 From the poll results we will be able to see 1) are
>                 100% of the authors contactable and 2) what % of the
>                 codebase currently under GPL could not be relicensed.
>
>                 Regards
>
>                 Tim
>>
>>
>>>                 On 16 Mar 2020, at 13:06, Vincent Picavet (ml)
>>>                 <vincent.ml at oslandia.com
>>>                 <mailto:vincent.ml at oslandia.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Hello,
>>>
>>>                 I re-state here what I already said on the GitHub
>>>                 issue ( ) concerning a
>>>                 distribution of GPL-licenced software on App Store
>>>                 endorsed byQGIS.org <http://qgis.org/>.
>>>
>>>                 I am worried that this could lead to legal troubles.
>>>                 There are clear issues with
>>>                 providing GPL applications on apple store. While
>>>                 having an app supporting iOS
>>>                 could be ok, distribution through the Apple app
>>>                 store makes the user have to
>>>                 accept iOS terms of use, which are not compatible
>>>                 with the licence of the software.
>>>
>>>                 While publishing GPL software on iOS is the issue of
>>>                 the software provider /
>>>                 publisher, linking it fromqgis.org
>>>                 <http://qgis.org/>website would be an endorsement,
>>>                 and would
>>>                 lead to legal risk.
>>>
>>>                 I would personally be against it, and it should
>>>                 indeed be an official PSC
>>>                 decision, having taken into account all related
>>>                 risks, preferably after seeking
>>>                 official legal advice from an opensource IP expert
>>>                 lawyer.
>>>
>>>                 I copy hereafter the report of our IP lawyer, who we
>>>                 consulted when we had this
>>>                 question a while ago (on a different GPL software) :
>>>
>>>                 -----
>>>                 Concerning publishing a GNU GPL application on App Store
>>>
>>>                 Distributing software on Apple App Store is likely
>>>                 to contrain the user to
>>>                 accept General Usage Conditions s a-priori not
>>>                 compatible with the GNU GPL
>>>                 Licence v3.0 or later. As a matter of fact, AppStore
>>>                 TOS -- which users as well
>>>                 as developers must accept -- constrain the usage
>>>                 that can be done with the software, which is
>>>                 contradictory to the GNU GPL v3 or
>>>                 later. The latter forbids to apply such usage
>>>                 restrictions when distributing a
>>>                 software under its terms.
>>>
>>>                 Such a difficulty also applies to the distribution
>>>                 of a version of software X on
>>>                 AppStore including Z ( licenced as GPL ). It is on
>>>                 this basis that the
>>>                 application VLC has been initially removed from
>>>                 Appstore, before being
>>>                 re-introduced under a new licence conform ( double
>>>                 licence
>>>                 Mozilla Public Licence 2.0 and GNU GPL v3.0).
>>>
>>>                 Therefore, such a distribution would be possible
>>>                 under appstore only if its
>>>                 licence is modified according to this choice.
>>>
>>>                 Article 10 of GNU GPL 3.0 : « You may not impose any
>>>                 further restrictions on the
>>>                 exercise of the rights granted or affirmed under
>>>                 this License. For example, you
>>>                 may not impose a license fee, royalty, or other
>>>                 charge for exercise of rights
>>>                 granted under this License, and you
>>>                 may not initiate litigation (including a cross-claim
>>>                 or counterclaim in a
>>>                 lawsuit) alleging that any patent claim is infringed
>>>                 by making, using, selling,
>>>                 offering for sale, or importing the Program or any
>>>                 portion of it. »
>>>                 ----
>>>
>>>                 As for changing the QGIS licence to add an exception
>>>                 for app store, or any other
>>>                 specific use, it would indeed require every single
>>>                 QGIS contributor to agree. I
>>>                 clearly cannot see this happening, given our large
>>>                 contributor base and a clear
>>>                 opposition to any licence change from at least a few
>>>                 of them.
>>>
>>>                 Strictly conforming with legal requirement of our
>>>                 licence choices is vital for
>>>                 the project andQGIS.org
>>>                 <http://qgis.org/>credibility. If we want our users
>>>                 to respect the GPL
>>>                 licence which is the basis for all QGIS work, and
>>>                 share their modifications
>>>                 back, we cannot compromise on legal aspects, even if
>>>                 it is a burden for the user.
>>>
>>>                 This is sad, but "real world people do not respect
>>>                 licences" is not really an
>>>                 argument.
>>>
>>>                 Should any external organization make the choice to
>>>                 compromise with legal terms
>>>                 and licences, it is their own responsibility, and I
>>>                 personaly do not care as
>>>                 soon as there is no impact on the QGIS project and
>>>                 QGIS organization.
>>>
>>>                 Best regards,
>>>                 Vincent
>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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