[Qgis-psc] PSC Meeting March
Andreas Neumann
a.neumann at carto.net
Tue Mar 17 11:54:39 PDT 2020
Hi Marco,
Can you please create a new PSC document and post the meeting link there?
Otherwise I don't know how to join the meeting.
Thanks,
Andreas
Am 17.03.20 um 19:50 schrieb Marco Bernasocchi:
> hi yes we'll meet.
> see you then
>
> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020, 19:34 Anita Graser, <anitagraser at gmx.at
> <mailto:anitagraser at gmx.at>> wrote:
>
> Hi Marco,
>
> As co-chair, could you please let us know if we should meet in
> half an hour?
>
> Thanks!
> Anita
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:08 PM Andreas Neumann <andreas at qgis.org
> <mailto:andreas at qgis.org>> wrote:
>
> Paolo - can you comment if you can participate tonight? Did
> you mix up the dates or did you really mean the 20th (Friday)?
>
> Greetings,
> Andreas
>
> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 12:11, Anita Graser <anitagraser at gmx.at
> <mailto:anitagraser at gmx.at>> wrote:
>
> I'm available but Paolo wrote:
>
> "I agree a meeting would be useful. Things are quite
> unstable here due to
> COVID-19, but I *should* be able to join in the late
> afternoon or
> evening of 20th. "
>
> Regards,
> Anita
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:47 AM Tim Sutton
> <tim at kartoza.com <mailto:tim at kartoza.com>> wrote:
>
> Reposting as list message was rejected due to size:
>
> Hi
>
> Thank you so much for your email @Vincent. Personally
> I have read your email below and numerous articles
> online about it and there is still, in my mind, room
> for posting a GPL app on the apple store - there just
> needs to be a clear path to fetch the binaries so that
> you can install it on your other systems (i.e. the
> contention mainly relates to the third freedom). This
> could be done in the application itself with a link
> somewhere to download the package files and notes on
> how to install it (which to be fair may be a
> convoluted process on some operating systems).
>
> However, in acknowledgement that there is probably
> never going to be general agreement on this, and the
> only conclusive way to deal with it is to modify our
> license to add an exemption for distribution via app
> stores (I would propose a general exemption rather
> then mentioning any specific one), I have contacted
> Saber off-list and asked him to remove the link to
> INPUT on our web site. I did this along with a deep
> sense of shame that we cannot acknowledge the hard
> work of long term contributors to QGIS - in particular
> Martin has been a contributor to QGIS since the very
> early days of the project.
>
> https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Website/pull/735
>
> The assessment of the situation below may be right,
> but IMHO the situation itself is wrong - we should not
> be held hostage by our own license. Our license choice
> was intended to ensure that QGIS can be a GIS that
> everyone can use, and we should be actively taking it
> to every platform that is in popular use. Thus I would
> like to raise the proposal that we assemble a list of
> everyone who has made a contribution to the QGIS code
> base, and at very least, run a poll to see how many
> would be amenable to a modification of the license.
> From the poll results we will be able to see 1) are
> 100% of the authors contactable and 2) what % of the
> codebase currently under GPL could not be relicensed.
>
> Regards
>
> Tim
>>
>>
>>> On 16 Mar 2020, at 13:06, Vincent Picavet (ml)
>>> <vincent.ml at oslandia.com
>>> <mailto:vincent.ml at oslandia.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I re-state here what I already said on the GitHub
>>> issue ( ) concerning a
>>> distribution of GPL-licenced software on App Store
>>> endorsed byQGIS.org <http://qgis.org/>.
>>>
>>> I am worried that this could lead to legal troubles.
>>> There are clear issues with
>>> providing GPL applications on apple store. While
>>> having an app supporting iOS
>>> could be ok, distribution through the Apple app
>>> store makes the user have to
>>> accept iOS terms of use, which are not compatible
>>> with the licence of the software.
>>>
>>> While publishing GPL software on iOS is the issue of
>>> the software provider /
>>> publisher, linking it fromqgis.org
>>> <http://qgis.org/>website would be an endorsement,
>>> and would
>>> lead to legal risk.
>>>
>>> I would personally be against it, and it should
>>> indeed be an official PSC
>>> decision, having taken into account all related
>>> risks, preferably after seeking
>>> official legal advice from an opensource IP expert
>>> lawyer.
>>>
>>> I copy hereafter the report of our IP lawyer, who we
>>> consulted when we had this
>>> question a while ago (on a different GPL software) :
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Concerning publishing a GNU GPL application on App Store
>>>
>>> Distributing software on Apple App Store is likely
>>> to contrain the user to
>>> accept General Usage Conditions s a-priori not
>>> compatible with the GNU GPL
>>> Licence v3.0 or later. As a matter of fact, AppStore
>>> TOS -- which users as well
>>> as developers must accept -- constrain the usage
>>> that can be done with the software, which is
>>> contradictory to the GNU GPL v3 or
>>> later. The latter forbids to apply such usage
>>> restrictions when distributing a
>>> software under its terms.
>>>
>>> Such a difficulty also applies to the distribution
>>> of a version of software X on
>>> AppStore including Z ( licenced as GPL ). It is on
>>> this basis that the
>>> application VLC has been initially removed from
>>> Appstore, before being
>>> re-introduced under a new licence conform ( double
>>> licence
>>> Mozilla Public Licence 2.0 and GNU GPL v3.0).
>>>
>>> Therefore, such a distribution would be possible
>>> under appstore only if its
>>> licence is modified according to this choice.
>>>
>>> Article 10 of GNU GPL 3.0 : « You may not impose any
>>> further restrictions on the
>>> exercise of the rights granted or affirmed under
>>> this License. For example, you
>>> may not impose a license fee, royalty, or other
>>> charge for exercise of rights
>>> granted under this License, and you
>>> may not initiate litigation (including a cross-claim
>>> or counterclaim in a
>>> lawsuit) alleging that any patent claim is infringed
>>> by making, using, selling,
>>> offering for sale, or importing the Program or any
>>> portion of it. »
>>> ----
>>>
>>> As for changing the QGIS licence to add an exception
>>> for app store, or any other
>>> specific use, it would indeed require every single
>>> QGIS contributor to agree. I
>>> clearly cannot see this happening, given our large
>>> contributor base and a clear
>>> opposition to any licence change from at least a few
>>> of them.
>>>
>>> Strictly conforming with legal requirement of our
>>> licence choices is vital for
>>> the project andQGIS.org
>>> <http://qgis.org/>credibility. If we want our users
>>> to respect the GPL
>>> licence which is the basis for all QGIS work, and
>>> share their modifications
>>> back, we cannot compromise on legal aspects, even if
>>> it is a burden for the user.
>>>
>>> This is sad, but "real world people do not respect
>>> licences" is not really an
>>> argument.
>>>
>>> Should any external organization make the choice to
>>> compromise with legal terms
>>> and licences, it is their own responsibility, and I
>>> personaly do not care as
>>> soon as there is no impact on the QGIS project and
>>> QGIS organization.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Vincent
>
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