[Qgis-psc] Developer roles

Mon Sep 7 08:33:45 PDT 2020

Hi PSC,

this discussion stalled during summer, I would like to be clear about
what has been decided in the end as the next paid bugfixing period -
which starts within 4 days.

Is it clear who is eligible in the end to submit paid bugfixing program ?

Best regards

Régis

On 29/06/2020 09:56, Saber Razmjooei wrote:
>  > not junior developers but people with real talent and skills,
> experienced developers with knowledge C++, Qt, Python, etc.
>
> In our experience, working with GSOC students and spending time to
> mentor and help them to get to know the code/community, they have REAL
> talents and their contributions have been on par or exceeding some of
> those "senior" developers who get paid for living. 
>
> Kind regards
> Saber
>
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 17:26, Vincent Picavet (ml)
> <vincent.ml at oslandia.com <mailto:vincent.ml at oslandia.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     On 26/06/2020 11:27, Nyall Dawson wrote:
>     > Vincent - snipping out the 99% of your email I agree with -- don't
>     > take my comments below as meaning I disagree with the bulk of your
>     > reply! :)
>
>     Ok, great to hear :-)
>
>     Let's discuss the remaining disagreement then.
>
>     > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 18:56, Vincent Picavet (ml)
>     >> I tend to disagree here, because I consider that growing the
>     community and
>     >> onboarding new developers has much more value in the long run,
>     than having a
>     >> code developped 20% faster.
>     >
>     > Honestly, in the case of the current crop of "core developers", I
>     > think 20% is a huge disservice to their skills. I'd honestly,
>     > conservatively, estimate that a developer who already has intimate
>     > knowledge of the QGIS codebase, Qt, GDAL etc will be at a
>     minimum 10x
>     > faster than a new contributor to the project. I don't think anyone
>     > could ever argue that we only get 20% more value from funding Even's
>     > time vs someone completely new to the project! (Try 20k% more value,
>     > and you're in the right ballpark...)
>
>     I did not want to underestimate the efficiency of long-term core
>     developers. Of
>     course they are faster, and probably produce much better quality
>     for the code.
>     "20%" was not to take as an absolute number, forget this number.
>     My point is not
>     about numbers anyway.
>     The reality is much more complex than this : QGIS codebase is huge
>     and even a
>     long term contributor may have trouble in some areas of the code.
>     And other
>     contributors having never contributed to QGIS could be really
>     efficient because
>     they focus on an area they are expert in ( imagine Even before any
>     contribution
>     to QGIS core, but knowing extensively GDAL ).
>     My point is : diversity and growing developer's community is
>     difficult, while
>     highly required for a project to be sane, avoid bus-factor and
>     continue to strive.
>
>
>     >> I would personnaly like to see the grant program as an
>     onboarding program. But
>     >> this is not a strong request, and maybe we could have another
>     program dedicated
>     >> especially to onboarding new developers ?
>     >
>     > I disagree - I think given the current round of high quality
>     > submissions it's clear that even when we restrict the program to
>     > established contributors there's more high value work vs funds
>     > available. If we divert some of these grant funds to onboard new
>     > contributors then it's definitely going to be at the cost of the
>     > high-priority submissions we already receive.
>     >
>     > But regarding a dedicated program -- isn't GSOC ideal for this?
>     That's
>     > exactly what it's oriented to, and doesn't cost us anything...!
>
>     I think we are not really talking of the same thing. GSoC is for
>     students,
>     junior developers. While it is a great program which should
>     probably be used
>     more to onboard new junior developers to the project, it is not
>     really what I
>     had in mind.
>
>     I am talking about onboarding new developers, not junior
>     developers but people
>     with real talent and skills, experienced developers with knowledge
>     C++, Qt,
>     Python, etc.
>     GSoC is not adapted for them, and we do not really have any
>     incentive for this
>     kind of people to join the project. This is where room for
>     improvement lies.
>
>     >>> Fully agree, we should have the same thing for a "non-coding"
>     contributor
>     >>> (think Richard, Harrisou, Giovanni ...) which do an amazing
>     job for QGIS as a
>     >>> project but don't express it in C++
>     >>
>     >> +1
>     >
>     > I'm also +1, but I think we should separate the terms explicitly
>     here.
>     > I would like to see the "developer endorsed by QGIS" title as a
>     > reflection of their **coding** talents, and something which can be
>     > used on a CV/resume as a reflection of their development skills. The
>     > "endorsed, high value" community contributor title should be
>     used for
>     > non-developer contributors only, and have it's own set of guidelines
>     > for eligibility.
>
>     I always find differentiating "the developer" from other
>     contributors tends to
>     minimize "other contributors" importance and value. But I
>     understand that
>     eligibility could have different rules, and therefore a specific
>     role would be
>     required. We would have to be careful to give them as much
>     importance as
>     developers, if not more.
>
>     Best regards,
>     Vincent
>
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