From nyall.dawson at gmail.com Sun Aug 1 22:06:20 2021 From: nyall.dawson at gmail.com (Nyall Dawson) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 15:06:20 +1000 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Grant report: Integrate GPS Tools plugin functionality into core QGIS Message-ID: Hi lists, With the final pull request just submitted (https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/44508), I'm happy to announce that the QGIS grant work: "Integrate GPS Tools plugin functionality into core QGIS" is now complete. You can read more about the motivation behind this work at https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Enhancement-Proposals/issues/217 This grant sees the removal of the old, unmaintained "GPS Tools" core plugin, with all functionality from the plugin moved to reusable Processing algorithms or the unified Data Source Manager dialog. Since the functionality now uses the Processing framework, users gain the ability to run these tools in batch modes, as part of graphical models, and from 3rd party scripts and plugins. As a bonus the new tools are all fully covered by unit tests. Additionally, I also used this opportunity to revamp the global settings dialog. This dialog has been growing over time as more and more settings from other parts of QGIS are added to the dialog. (That's a great thing -- unifying the settings in one place makes them much more discoverable for users!). In order to avoid loss of usability in this dialog due to the addition of yet another settings page (for GPSBabel Devices), I've instead reworked the dialog to use a "tree" structure for the settings pages. This helps group related settings pages together, and provides more hints to users about where particular settings reside. (I'm hoping to take further advantage of this restructuring to move some more isolated options pages into the global options dialog, such as moving the Custom Projections dialog to a new page within the "CRS and transforms" group). Thanks again for the opportunity to complete this work! Nyall From apasotti at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 05:27:34 2021 From: apasotti at gmail.com (Alessandro Pasotti) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 14:27:34 +0200 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Grant Report: Port DB Manager Table Management Functionalities to Browser: SQL execution (part 3) Message-ID: Hi lists, The grant proposal described in the QEPhttps:// github.com/qgis/QGIS-Enhancement-Proposals/issues/205 has been completed with: https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/44051 As a bonus an additional PR https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/44200 adds to QGIS core the query layer management tool that was provided by DB-Manager plugin. The new API is fully covered by unit tests. Thank you for the opportunity to complete this work! Kind regards. -- Alessandro Pasotti QCooperative: www.qcooperative.net ItOpen: www.itopen.it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From strk at kbt.io Wed Aug 4 05:36:07 2021 From: strk at kbt.io (Sandro Santilli) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 14:36:07 +0200 Subject: [Qgis-psc] [QGIS-Developer] Grant Report: Port DB Manager Table Management Functionalities to Browser: SQL execution (part 3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20210804123607.GC2293@c19> Great work ! I'm just a bit concerned about my Topology Viewer plugin, which currently resides under the DBManager python plugin. I guess the road ahead would be to port that to the browser or something like that (browsing PostGIS Topologies?) --strk; On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 02:27:34PM +0200, Alessandro Pasotti wrote: > Hi lists, > > The grant proposal described in the QEPhttps:// > github.com/qgis/QGIS-Enhancement-Proposals/issues/205 has been completed > with: > > https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/44051 > > As a bonus an additional PR https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/44200 adds to > QGIS core the query layer management tool that was provided by DB-Manager > plugin. > > The new API is fully covered by unit tests. > > Thank you for the opportunity to complete this work! > > Kind regards. From apasotti at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 05:41:58 2021 From: apasotti at gmail.com (Alessandro Pasotti) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 14:41:58 +0200 Subject: [Qgis-psc] [QGIS-Developer] Grant Report: Port DB Manager Table Management Functionalities to Browser: SQL execution (part 3) In-Reply-To: <20210804123607.GC2293@c19> References: <20210804123607.GC2293@c19> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 2:36 PM Sandro Santilli wrote: > Great work ! > I'm just a bit concerned about my Topology Viewer plugin, which > currently resides under the DBManager python plugin. I guess the > road ahead would be to port that to the browser or something > like that (browsing PostGIS Topologies?) > > --strk; > > Hi, don't worry: the coffin for the DB manager is not ready yet :) By the way you might want to start thinking about how to integrate topology into the browser, or leave it as an independent plugin. -- Alessandro Pasotti QCooperative: www.qcooperative.net ItOpen: www.itopen.it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdmailings at duif.net Wed Aug 4 13:13:20 2021 From: rdmailings at duif.net (Richard Duivenvoorde) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 22:13:20 +0200 Subject: [Qgis-psc] [QGIS-Developer] Grant report: Integrate GPS Tools plugin functionality into core QGIS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8b123c06-8eec-23b1-e937-2f2eb8d1b0be@duif.net> Hi Nyall, Supercool!!! I thought to try to walk around (literally) a little (after it took me some time to find out how to connect a bluetooth GPS dongle....). Some findings: - all seems to work (as I think better then) as in the old plugin.. - I find the way you can 'save' your gps track (or points) to some file/layer not so intuitive...: the 'Add Line'-button will change to an 'Add Point'-button when you change a (editable) point or line layer... would it be nice to add some hints somewhere? Maybe if the button is disabled add a caption or tooltip: "editable point or line layer needed"? - would it be nice to add a HELP button somewhere in the Panel pointing to the docs of live gps: https://docs.qgis.org/testing/en/docs/user_manual/working_with_gps/live_GPS_tracking.html - my first line I saved, had as starting point 0.0, 0.0? Not sure if that was the result of all my fooling around with the gps, or that it is a small itch in the creation of the first line? - the size of the cursor can be changed, but it does not show immediately? Only if you have an active (changing) gps log, then it repaints on change. Is it possible to do a repaint (of the cursor) upon change (?? I know cursors are nasty beasts... ??) - in Linux/Debian, if you enable 'Location Services' in your (Gnome) Privacy Settings you will have th little 'gps'-button in your top bar, AND QGIS WILL USE THAT (via qt-geoclue apparently!!). In my case that meaned: NO gps attached, but still pretty good showing where I was (if I am correct, it uses the Mozilla Location Service, which uses the wifi access point info???) One question: what is that Leap seconds? Do the gps satellites have old clocks or so, which are (18?) seconds behind (see screenie). About the new settings tree: I have the feeling that the icons in the tree are pretty tiny, and they do not follow the 'icon size' setting. Is that by (qt) design? Anyway: thanks for all this work, it always costs me some time to hobby around with it ;-) BUT: worth it! Regards, Richard Duivenvoorde On 8/2/21 7:06 AM, Nyall Dawson wrote: > Hi lists, > > With the final pull request just submitted > (https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/44508), I'm happy to announce that > the QGIS grant work: "Integrate GPS Tools plugin functionality into > core QGIS" is now complete. You can read more about the motivation > behind this work at > https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Enhancement-Proposals/issues/217 > > This grant sees the removal of the old, unmaintained "GPS Tools" core > plugin, with all functionality from the plugin moved to reusable > Processing algorithms or the unified Data Source Manager dialog. Since > the functionality now uses the Processing framework, users gain the > ability to run these tools in batch modes, as part of graphical > models, and from 3rd party scripts and plugins. > > As a bonus the new tools are all fully covered by unit tests. > > Additionally, I also used this opportunity to revamp the global > settings dialog. This dialog has been growing over time as more and > more settings from other parts of QGIS are added to the dialog. > (That's a great thing -- unifying the settings in one place makes them > much more discoverable for users!). In order to avoid loss of > usability in this dialog due to the addition of yet another settings > page (for GPSBabel Devices), I've instead reworked the dialog to use a > "tree" structure for the settings pages. This helps group related > settings pages together, and provides more hints to users about where > particular settings reside. 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To clarify: - GPS Information panel: this is the live/interactive view of a GPS connection, and is responsible for showing the current position on the GPS and tracking it. It's been relatively well maintained over the years, and while it could do with some UI modernization the code behind it is all quite stable and mature. - (old) GPS tools plugin: this plugin had tools for "non-realtime" GPS conversions. E.g. a GPS track recorded on a device, which you then pull into QGIS at a later stage. These are the tools targeted by this grant. Hope that helps clear up the situation! Nyall From nyall.dawson at gmail.com Wed Aug 11 03:24:25 2021 From: nyall.dawson at gmail.com (Nyall Dawson) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 20:24:25 +1000 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Urgent: news feed certificate has expired again Message-ID: Hi all, Can someone renew the certificate for the news feed again? (https://feed.qgis.org/) It's expired again so our users are getting an error on startup. (Perhaps we should just revert this to a non secure feed?) Nyall From nirvn.asia at gmail.com Wed Aug 11 03:26:48 2021 From: nirvn.asia at gmail.com (Mathieu Pellerin) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 17:26:48 +0700 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Urgent: news feed certificate has expired again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -1 on non secure feed, opens the door wide open for injection attacks. It would be nice to have some form of automated reminder so we avoid these unfortunate lapses as much as possible though :) On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 5:25 PM Nyall Dawson wrote: > Hi all, > > Can someone renew the certificate for the news feed again? > (https://feed.qgis.org/) It's expired again so our users are getting > an error on startup. > > (Perhaps we should just revert this to a non secure feed?) > > Nyall > _______________________________________________ > Qgis-psc mailing list > Qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tim at kartoza.com Wed Aug 11 03:38:41 2021 From: tim at kartoza.com (Tim Sutton) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 11:38:41 +0100 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Urgent: news feed certificate has expired again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi It is fixed. It seems we were missing a blank line at the end of the cron file. I hope it is fixed forever now! Regards Tim On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 11:37 AM Marco Bernasocchi wrote: > mmmh, should be automatically renewing iirc. > > @Tim Sutton could you check? > > cheers > Marco > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2021, 12:27 Mathieu Pellerin, wrote: > >> -1 on non secure feed, opens the door wide open for injection attacks. >> >> It would be nice to have some form of automated reminder so we avoid >> these unfortunate lapses as much as possible though :) >> >> On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 5:25 PM Nyall Dawson >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Can someone renew the certificate for the news feed again? >>> (https://feed.qgis.org/) It's expired again so our users are getting >>> an error on startup. >>> >>> (Perhaps we should just revert this to a non secure feed?) >>> >>> Nyall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Qgis-psc mailing list >>> Qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qgis-psc mailing list >> Qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc >> > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ? 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I hope it is fixed forever now! > > Regards > > Tim > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 11:37 AM Marco Bernasocchi wrote: > >> mmmh, should be automatically renewing iirc. >> >> @Tim Sutton could you check? >> >> cheers >> Marco >> >> On Wed, 11 Aug 2021, 12:27 Mathieu Pellerin, >> wrote: >> >>> -1 on non secure feed, opens the door wide open for injection attacks. >>> >>> It would be nice to have some form of automated reminder so we avoid >>> these unfortunate lapses as much as possible though :) >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 5:25 PM Nyall Dawson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Can someone renew the certificate for the news feed again? >>>> (https://feed.qgis.org/) It's expired again so our users are getting >>>> an error on startup. >>>> >>>> (Perhaps we should just revert this to a non secure feed?) >>>> >>>> Nyall >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Qgis-psc mailing list >>>> Qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org >>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Qgis-psc mailing list >>> Qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc >>> >> > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ? > > Tim Sutton > Visit http://kartoza.com to find out about open source: > * Desktop GIS programming services > * Geospatial web development > * GIS Training > * Consulting Services > Tim is a member of the QGIS Project Steering Committee > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > QGIS-Developer mailing list > QGIS-Developer at lists.osgeo.org > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdmailings at duif.net Wed Aug 11 03:55:03 2021 From: rdmailings at duif.net (Richard Duivenvoorde) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 12:55:03 +0200 Subject: [Qgis-psc] [QGIS-Developer] Urgent: news feed certificate has expired again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/11/21 12:26 PM, Mathieu Pellerin wrote: > -1 on non secure feed, opens the door wide open for injection attacks. > > It would be nice to have some form of automated reminder so we avoid these unfortunate lapses as much as possible though :) Well, actually we already have, the msg is sent to admin at qgis.org, but... well... life But we found out that the cronjob which should be doing it automagically was missing a newline on the end... so hopefull this was the last hickup... Regards, Richard Duivenvoorde From nyall.dawson at gmail.com Wed Aug 11 14:31:38 2021 From: nyall.dawson at gmail.com (Nyall Dawson) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 07:31:38 +1000 Subject: [Qgis-psc] New repo on github Message-ID: Hi PSC! Can someone with admin rights to QGIS github please create a new "libdxfrw" repository, and grant me admin access to it? I'd like to start de-coupling this library from QGIS and moving the QGIS specific amendments to it so that we can more closely track the other versions of this library floating around. It's then possible that http://github.com/qgis/libdxfrw could become the new, maintained upstream for this library... Nyall From marco at qgis.org Wed Aug 11 23:31:15 2021 From: marco at qgis.org (Marco Bernasocchi) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 08:31:15 +0200 Subject: [Qgis-psc] New repo on github In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Nyall it's done. feel free to add the qgis-developers group or whoever needs write access. cheers Marco On Wed, 11 Aug 2021, 23:31 Nyall Dawson, wrote: > Hi PSC! > > Can someone with admin rights to QGIS github please create a new > "libdxfrw" repository, and grant me admin access to it? > > I'd like to start de-coupling this library from QGIS and moving the > QGIS specific amendments to it so that we can more closely track the > other versions of this library floating around. It's then possible > that http://github.com/qgis/libdxfrw could become the new, maintained > upstream for this library... > > Nyall > _______________________________________________ > Qgis-psc mailing list > Qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nyall.dawson at gmail.com Wed Aug 11 23:55:11 2021 From: nyall.dawson at gmail.com (Nyall Dawson) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 16:55:11 +1000 Subject: [Qgis-psc] New repo on github In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Marco! I've initialized this repo to match librecad's fork initially, and will open PRs against it for the QGIS specific fixes (and other fixes from various other random forks). I've added the qgis-developers group too. If anyone's interested in reviewing PRs, there's a bunch lined up already ;) https://github.com/qgis/libdxfrw/pulls Nyall On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 16:31, Marco Bernasocchi wrote: > > Hi Nyall it's done. > feel free to add the qgis-developers group or whoever needs write access. > > cheers Marco > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2021, 23:31 Nyall Dawson, wrote: >> >> Hi PSC! >> >> Can someone with admin rights to QGIS github please create a new >> "libdxfrw" repository, and grant me admin access to it? >> >> I'd like to start de-coupling this library from QGIS and moving the >> QGIS specific amendments to it so that we can more closely track the >> other versions of this library floating around. It's then possible >> that http://github.com/qgis/libdxfrw could become the new, maintained >> upstream for this library... >> >> Nyall >> _______________________________________________ >> Qgis-psc mailing list >> Qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc From denis.rouzaud at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 06:44:50 2021 From: denis.rouzaud at gmail.com (Denis Rouzaud) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 15:44:50 +0200 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Curly braces initilization Message-ID: Dear PSC, I'd like to get your eyes on a technical discussion rising in a few PRs: curly braces initialization. It's a C++ coding guideline to define, and the topic seems a bit techincal. I'd like that we get our coding guidelines updated regarding this question. I believe this would require a few of our best low-level devs to discuss and take a decision. I don't know if you / who could take the lead on this. I'd be happy to help, maybe organize the discussion if you consider this is OK. Kind regards, Denis Some references: last discussion in PR: https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/44710#issuecomment-901921304 some technical reading about the question: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18222926/why-is-list-initialization-using-curly-braces-better-than-the-alternatives -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From apasotti at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 07:20:56 2021 From: apasotti at gmail.com (Alessandro Pasotti) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 16:20:56 +0200 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Curly braces initilization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Denis, thank you for raising this topic, I just wanted to add another piece of information: https://isocpp.github.io/CppCoreGuidelines/CppCoreGuidelines#es23-prefer-the--initializer-syntax and if you have a spare night here is some serious criticism: http://mikelui.io/2019/01/03/seriously-bonkers.html Another thing to consider is that we already have so many written (and probably more unwritten) rules about coding style that I am afraid to add another one if there isn't a very good reason, we don't want to scare new potential developers. On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 3:45 PM Denis Rouzaud wrote: > Dear PSC, > > I'd like to get your eyes on a technical discussion rising in a few PRs: > curly braces initialization. > It's a C++ coding guideline to define, and the topic seems a bit techincal. > > I'd like that we get our coding guidelines updated regarding this > question. I believe this would require a few of our best low-level devs to > discuss and take a decision. > > I don't know if you / who could take the lead on this. I'd be happy to > help, maybe organize the discussion if you consider this is OK. > > Kind regards, > Denis > > Some references: > last discussion in PR: > https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/44710#issuecomment-901921304 > some technical reading about the question: > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18222926/why-is-list-initialization-using-curly-braces-better-than-the-alternatives > -- Alessandro Pasotti QCooperative: www.qcooperative.net ItOpen: www.itopen.it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From even.rouault at spatialys.com Thu Aug 19 07:40:08 2021 From: even.rouault at spatialys.com (Even Rouault) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 16:40:08 +0200 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Curly braces initilization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52acf2a1-e981-e6d1-4113-7fe02e1f96ab@spatialys.com> Le 19/08/2021 ? 15:44, Denis Rouzaud a ?crit?: > Dear PSC, > > I'd like to get your eyes on a technical discussion rising in a few > PRs: curly braces initialization. > It's a C++ coding guideline to define, and the topic seems a bit > techincal. > > I'd like that we get our coding guidelines updated regarding this > question. I believe this would require a few of our best low-level > devs to discuss and take a decision. > > I don't know if you / who could take the lead on this. I'd be happy to > help, maybe organize the discussion if you consider this is OK. If that can help, I've initiated https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dP8-Is8qRXI6llB9HGUTXZbUv2akvOacxUhUHAoldg4/ (edit rights for anyone) . Not sure the way I've structured it is the most relevant one... Feel free to add your thoughts there and rework it. My feeling is that this is bound to be a controversial topic with no clear winner/loser given the trend of C++ allowing to do new things and never dropping the older alternatives, making it an ever increasing mess... Even -- http://www.spatialys.com My software is free, but my time generally not.