[Qgis-psc] The security project for QGIS
Vincent Picavet
vincent.ml at oslandia.com
Fri Nov 29 08:08:03 PST 2024
Hello Andreas, all,
On 29/11/2024 16:02, Andreas Neumann wrote:
> [..]
> I think it is a good initiative and necessary.
Thanks !
>
> I would prefer, if this could be done "officially" by "QGIS.ORG <http://QGIS.ORG>" itself, under the QGIS brand name. I want to avoid additional fragmentation with QGIS versions only supported by certain companies (like we had with QGIS Enterprise), or QField vs. Mergin, Lizmap vs QGIS Web Client, etc. So I would really prefer if this initiative would be fully endorsed by the QGIS community and PSC, rather than being a project just by two QGIS related companies.
The most important point is that Oslandia and partners for this project will commit to make all improvements, code, infrastructure available for the project itself, as opensource.
The goal is to mutualise and reinforce vanilla QGIS, and not to create some kind of "secure QGIS" fork. We want to mutualise as much as possible within the QGIS community, and also if possible within the OSGeo community with other projects. Even if what you call fragmentation could sometimes also be seen as diversity, I agree that for everything related to security and listed in this project there is no point in duplicating efforts.
We can even sign an agreement on this point with QGIS.org if you want to have a formal engagement before endorsing the project.
>
> Regarding financing:
> - We could try to apply for funding from the german "Sovereign Tech Fund". I think this security hardening is in line with their goals.
Yes, we have a few public funding in mind which could be interesting to apply to. The effort/result ratio for these funds must be analyzed beforehand though.
> - I am a bit reluctant about spending too much money from QGIS.ORG <http://QGIS.ORG> on this issue, knowing that most donations to QGIS.ORG <http://QGIS.ORG> are either from individual persons and small companies (1-10 employees, in some exceptions larger). Most large multinational companies who complain about a lack of security standards in QGIS are not donating towards QGIS.ORG <http://QGIS.ORG> at all. So it would be quite unfair to use money from individual persons and small businesses to fund the goals of multinational corporations who have lots of funds available.
+1 on this, the target for funders would definitely be more multinational companies than individuals, small companies, and hence QGIS.org. This is why I specified that no money from QGIS.org was asked.
>
> We should definitely endorse this initiative by PSC. Next Tuesday evening is the next PSC meeting. Would be a good opportunity for you to join and discuss the initiative. Looking forward to further discussion.
Next Tuesday will most probably not be possible for me to attend, but maybe Loïc can join.
Vincent
>
> Best regards,
> Andreas
>
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 at 11:12, Vincent Picavet via QGIS-PSC <qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
> Hi PSC,
>
> Oslandia will be launching soon the "Security project for QGIS". I explain the project in details below.
>
> New European regulations like NIS2 and CRA, as well as other international or local regulations ( e.g. CISA ) will be activated within the next couple of years. They require software and software producers to rise their cybersecurity practices. OpenSource softwares, while usually having a special treatment, are concerned too.
>
> As for QGIS, we consider that we are behind what would be sufficient to comply with these regulations. We also do not fulfill requirements coming from our end-users, in terms of overall software quality regarding security, processes in place to ensure trust in the supply chain, and overall security culture in the project.
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> We have been discussing this topic with clients having large deployments of QGIS and QGIS server, and they stressed the issue, stating that cybersecurity was one of their primary concerns, and that they are willing to see the QGIS project move forward in this area as soon as possible.
>
> Oslandia, with other partners and backed by some of its clients, intends to launch the "Security project for QGIS" soon : we identified key topics where improvements can be done, classified them, and created work packages to work on, with budget estimations. We intend to do a call for funding for this project, in order to get actual improvements over 2025 and 2026.
>
> We intend to work closely with the QGIS community, QGIS.org, interested partners and users. Part of the work are improvements over the current system, other require changes to processes or developer's habits. Working closely with the user and developer's community to raise our security awareness is fully part of the project.
>
> You can see the current draft of the proposal here :
> https://pad.oslandia.net/vas3e9TUTQKJVSjTseVXrQ?both#
>
> Please do not share this URL publicly, as it is still a draft, and will be moved to an official web page soon.
>
> We know that this is an ambitious project, and that some parts will be difficult to achieve, but we think that QGIS cannot ignore the current trend in cybersecurity enforcement, and we know that regulations and clients requirements will force us to move forward anyway. Planning ahead and taking the issue seriously with the right amount of resources and efforts seems a better way to go than being constrained to do things in a hurry later on.
>
> We intend to launch the project soon, as some clients want to be able to fund it on 2024 budgets, and start working as early as January. We will first have a direct approach to potential funders and partners though, before making a public call for funding ( most probably before end of 2024 ).
>
> Sponsors for this project will be QGIS users directly funding the project.
>
> Partners for this project will be :
> - organizations officially supporting the project and help communicate and raise funds
> - organizations contributing time, effort, expertise to help the project
> - subcontractors for parts of the project
>
> As for subcontracting, some items are already identified and dedicated to partners, most of them will still have to be defined after.
>
> As for now, apart from Oslandia, OPENGIS.ch is already an official partner.
>
> We wanted to let the PSC / QGIS.org know about the project before enlarging the audience, so that :
> - A. you can give us feedback on the project globally, and the content specifically
> - B. raise any questions you would like to be answered privately or publicly
> - C. indicate your thoughts on how QGIS.org would want to be integrated into the project
> - D. validate project name, logo and URL
>
> As for C, we will state clearly that this project is not a QGIS.org initiative, but a project initiated by Oslandia and partners. QGIS.org could be a partner though, and we would be pleased if it is, but it is clearly not mandatory. Your decision, without any pressure ( can be later on too ).
> As for budget as well, we do not ask for any contribution from QGIS.org, but QGIS.org could allocate some funding, either as sponsor for items already included in work packages, or for additional complimentary items ( I would rather opt for this option, e.g. everything related to external reviews, community meetings, legal stuff…).
> Also, we will recommend for any sponsor willing to contribute less than 5000€, to fund QGIS.org instead through donations, as we do not want to deal with small contributions for this project ( admin burden too high ).
>
> As for D, what we need from PSC ASAP is a validation for us to be allowed to use the following :
> - the project name "Security project for QGIS". Note that we avoided naming it "QGIS Security project", to better identify that the project is not initiated by QGIS.org. As said above, we will be clear in the project presentation about affiliation.
> - the project logo : https://pad.oslandia.net/uploads/68ed0fc7-a6e3-4a93-8b6a-34ba2335c7dc.png
> - the url we intend to use : security.qgis.oslandia.com <http://security.qgis.oslandia.com> . Again, it makes no doubt on affiliation.
>
> Should you have any remark on these items, do not hesitate to raise them.
>
> Next step are :
> - [x] contact QGIS PSC to present the initiative
> - [ ] integrate feedbacks into the project presentation
> - [ ] finish project presentation material
> - [ ] contact some more potential partners
> - [ ] get first pledges from users for WP1
> - [ ] launch public call for funding
>
> I am available to discuss the matter, do not hesitate to contact me for further info or discussion.
>
> Best regards,
> Vincent
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